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Whats the best strut tower bar for EM2s? Ive been looking at getting the neuspeed front strut tower bar because of its one piece design but for the rear on EM2s all the strut tower bars have multiple piece design I was wondering what strut tower bars have the best quality, stiffness, and overall performance. |
Re: Whats the best strut tower bar for EM2s? 3 Attachment(s) I believe SDAIDOJI has a good thread on this topic. If I'm not mistaken, Carbing and Mugen offer a quality one piece rear upper bar. I've got a multi-piece Cusco installed. J's Racing makes a sweet multi-piece bar too. To be truthful, rears are more eye candy, than functional, due to the close proximity to the trunk frame brace. Carbing Attachment 81156 Attachment 81157 Mugen Attachment 81158 Quality for these two are UNMATCHED, but you will pay for it. If money is an issue, go the Type R route. |
Re: Whats the best strut tower bar for EM2s? Incorrect, oem and replica DC5-R rear tower bars are a one peice design. There's someone on clubrsx that offers aluminum or steel ones that he makes for under $40 for either material. You want the best front tower bar, well they're basically cosmetic so the $500 titanium comptech bar is nice when you pop the hood. Regardless of whether you buy that one or a used neuspeed one for $50 the difference in actual lap times will be in the hundreths of seconds, just don't buy a pos flimsy one off ebay and you'll be fine. If you want pure performance then spend your money on dampers, springs and sway bars. |
Re: Whats the best strut tower bar for EM2s? yeah i would upgrade my sway bar before i wasted money on just a rear tie bar progress technology is the way to go in my opinion it comes with upgraded sway bar poly bushings and comes with a tie bar for 184 bucks you can't beat that http://www.corsportusa.com/store/cat...roducts_id=324 |
Re: Whats the best strut tower bar for EM2s? well i already have D2 coilovers and progress rear sway is bout to be ordered and getting rear omni LCA and i have megan racing rear camber kits and ingalls front camber bolts so im trying to tweek it out a bit moree |
Re: Whats the best strut tower bar for EM2s? In that case just go with the neuspeed front and type-r rear bar. The LCAs won't have any performance benefit, they're completely cosmetic. If you do decide to go with them though the only ones I would even consider putting on my car are function 7, do some googling and you'll find I'm not alone in that view. I would highly recommend you make your next mod energy suspension LCA and motor mount bushings. |
Re: Whats the best strut tower bar for EM2s? 1 Attachment(s) I would get a front underbrace before I would get the rear upper. There is a lot more slop in the front that can be tidied up (BIG opening for the engine and tranny - means FLEX). You've taken care of the upper, but you've neglected the bottom. Carbing, Neuspeed and Tanabe are three off the top of my head. I've had the Neuspeed X and currently run the Tanabe Sustec. I was going to try out the Carbing, but didn't like the fact that it was made of steel (like the Neuspeed) - on top of the fact that it is painted white (Road Grime and Rust stand out more). Being lowered, all the underbraces scrape, but at least the Sustec won't rust. Youl'll feel less steering and rebound slop, for sure. |
Re: Whats the best strut tower bar for EM2s? This is turning out to be an awesome thread. Make a build thread and add tons of pictures as you progress EM2. |
Re: Whats the best strut tower bar for EM2s?
Originally Posted by tbohar
(Post 4546242)
This is turning out to be an awesome thread. Make a build thread and add tons of pictures as you progress EM2. |
Re: Whats the best strut tower bar for EM2s? if you goin to get the progress rears, they already come with the stiffeners for the rear. The uppers will just take your trunk space - lots of sheet metal in between. The front lower bracing sounds good, as pointed by Max. I never drove a car with it so not sure how much improvements. front top improved steering feel, not performance. Made me more confident by knowing what the fronts were actually trying to do, so i could be better prepared for what was coming (not that it did improve performance at all, again. Rather avoided me doing the wrong move when i did not know if i needed to push more or stay or slow down - very subtle, to tell the truth - you need to drive it in autoX/road track to make use of that). Hey Max, talking about that, did you install a engine oil cooler? Mine did overheat only when i hit the track and slowed down - good insurance |
Re: Whats the best strut tower bar for EM2s? Oh, yeh, we were nice enough to not to close the thread right away like in the other forum :D But Max's input in here is simply... great too :D Thanks a lot! |
Re: Whats the best strut tower bar for EM2s? I'm not going to go into this to far, because there is an unofficial peace between the two forums finally, but the difference between this forum and that one is the moderators. They close threads they don't like, flame people for opinions they don't agree with and are not welcoming to noobs imho. Just the other day I saw an admin tell someone you can't use 03-05 coilovers on an 01-02, umm hello, Tein only makes on design of coilover for 01-05.. you just need to order the reducing washers. Anyways.. Back on topic. I've been wanting a neuspeed x brace for awhile, I like the simple rigid design and since it's steel it won't crack easily when it grinds on a speed bump. Just spray truck bed lining on it and you won't have rust issues. |
Re: Whats the best strut tower bar for EM2s? I meant H-T :D i have not really read about the reducing washers, really not sure about them. Am curious about them, though, but since i have not real interest on them at the time, did not search into them yet, to tell the truth. |
Re: Whats the best strut tower bar for EM2s? h-t is even worse about closing threads, but at least they're mature and knowledgeable. I have some reducing washers in the mail from k-sport, I'll post some pics when they arrive. |
Re: Whats the best strut tower bar for EM2s? Oh, great! I am not sure how they work, so one more piece of info for all to share :D |
Re: Whats the best strut tower bar for EM2s?
Originally Posted by sdaidoji
(Post 4546332)
I meant H-T :D i have not really read about the reducing washers, really not sure about them. Am curious about them, though, but since i have not real interest on them at the time, did not search into them yet, to tell the truth. |
Re: Whats the best strut tower bar for EM2s? this thread IS actually turning out veeery interesting :D if they do use the reducers in their kits, they ARE reliable! :D thanks again! |
Re: Whats the best strut tower bar for EM2s?
Originally Posted by sdaidoji
(Post 4546283)
if you goin to get the progress rears, they already come with the stiffeners for the rear. The uppers will just take your trunk space - lots of sheet metal in between. The front lower bracing sounds good, as pointed by Max. I never drove a car with it so not sure how much improvements. front top improved steering feel, not performance. Made me more confident by knowing what the fronts were actually trying to do, so i could be better prepared for what was coming (not that it did improve performance at all, again. Rather avoided me doing the wrong move when i did not know if i needed to push more or stay or slow down - very subtle, to tell the truth - you need to drive it in autoX/road track to make use of that). Hey Max, talking about that, did you install a engine oil cooler? Mine did overheat only when i hit the track and slowed down - good insurance The front end needs the most bracing. You're dealing with a box/cube with (basically) an open top and bottom. Most of the weight is here. Compound that with suspension movement, steering, braking forces, engine torque, transmission forces, etc, ad nauseum... There is enough flex in the engine compartment that those of us with moonroofs should find a telltale dent in the roof panel when lowered and unbraced. Some more than others. I had one. Bottoms should be braced too, using the same logic as bracing for the top. Your upper brace cannot alleviate bottom flexing two feet away. No oil cooler. I've only tracked my Integra, 510 and Sentra. Civic is strictly a canyon carver (for now anyways). |
Re: Whats the best strut tower bar for EM2s?
Originally Posted by maxtierney
(Post 4546352)
There is enough flex in the engine compartment that those of us with moonroofs should find a telltale dent in the roof panel when lowered and unbraced. Some more than others. I had one. |
Re: Whats the best strut tower bar for EM2s?
Originally Posted by MindBomber
(Post 4546338)
h-t is even worse about closing threads, but at least they're mature and knowledgeable. I have some reducing washers in the mail from k-sport, I'll post some pics when they arrive. |
Re: Whats the best strut tower bar for EM2s? $2 each. |
Re: Whats the best strut tower bar for EM2s? Sdaidoji - You're absolutely right. There is LITTLE or NO performance gains with bracing, per se, but... You are able to eliminate a lot of the slop. With that, you can better determinie what the car, tires, brakes and the road are actually "communicating" back to you. Steering and pedal "feel" is everything, in my book. That's why I took out my P/S Pump. No artificial feedback. One with the road... |
Re: Whats the best strut tower bar for EM2s?
Originally Posted by sdaidoji
(Post 4546319)
Oh, yeh, we were nice enough to not to close the thread right away like in the other forum :D But Max's input in here is simply... great too :D Thanks a lot! yeah lol it was like 3 hrs n then locked i like hearing others opinions and every car has its own variables that just cant be generically read about
Originally Posted by maxtierney
(Post 4546237)
I would get a front underbrace before I would get the rear upper. There is a lot more slop in the front that can be tidied up (BIG opening for the engine and tranny - means FLEX). You've taken care of the upper, but you've neglected the bottom. Carbing, Neuspeed and Tanabe are three off the top of my head. I've had the Neuspeed X and currently run the Tanabe Sustec. I was going to try out the Carbing, but didn't like the fact that it was made of steel (like the Neuspeed) - on top of the fact that it is painted white (Road Grime and Rust stand out more). Being lowered, all the underbraces scrape, but at least the Sustec won't rust. Youl'll feel less steering and rebound slop, for sure. and ill be buying the tanabe sustec 4point underbrace so should i post pics of my suspension build here or new thread? but as i learned through moding suspension its always good to add one piece of mod ex: (coilovers, then camber kit, then 1 sway bar, rather than buying all at once and throwing it all on at once) it allows you to feel the difference with each mod, determining if its for the better or worst and
Originally Posted by MindBomber
(Post 4546236)
In that case just go with the neuspeed front and type-r rear bar. The LCAs won't have any performance benefit, they're completely cosmetic. If you do decide to go with them though the only ones I would even consider putting on my car are function 7, do some googling and you'll find I'm not alone in that view. I would highly recommend you make your next mod energy suspension LCA and motor mount bushings. what did you mean?? |
Re: Whats the best strut tower bar for EM2s?
Originally Posted by maxtierney
(Post 4546237)
I would get a front underbrace before I would get the rear upper. There is a lot more slop in the front that can be tidied up (BIG opening for the engine and tranny - means FLEX). You've taken care of the upper, but you've neglected the bottom. Carbing, Neuspeed and Tanabe are three off the top of my head. I've had the Neuspeed X and currently run the Tanabe Sustec. I was going to try out the Carbing, but didn't like the fact that it was made of steel (like the Neuspeed) - on top of the fact that it is painted white (Road Grime and Rust stand out more). Being lowered, all the underbraces scrape, but at least the Sustec won't rust. Youl'll feel less steering and rebound slop, for sure. and isnt that under brace from carbring from an ep3/dc5? i know most suspension is compatible from dc5-ep3-em2 but is this one? ^^^^^ http://d5otzd52uv6zz.cloudfront.net/...c265c9-800.jpg is this the neuspeed underbrace? |
Re: Whats the best strut tower bar for EM2s?
Originally Posted by EM2 Rookie
(Post 4546371)
^^^^^ and isnt that under brace from carbring from an ep3/dc5? i know most suspension is compatible from dc5-ep3-em2 but is this one? ^^^^^ http://d5otzd52uv6zz.cloudfront.net/...c265c9-800.jpg is this the neuspeed underbrace? Yes, thats the Neuspeed X Brace. |
Re: Whats the best strut tower bar for EM2s?
Originally Posted by EM2 Rookie
(Post 4546367)
^^^ yeah lol it was like 3 hrs n then locked i like hearing others opinions and every car has its own variables that just cant be generically read about ^^^ and ill be buying the tanabe sustec 4point underbrace so should i post pics of my suspension build here or new thread? but as i learned through moding suspension its always good to add one piece of mod ex: (coilovers, then camber kit, then 1 sway bar, rather than buying all at once and throwing it all on at once) it allows you to feel the difference with each mod, determining if its for the better or worst and ^^^ what did you mean?? 2) I think he was talking about the front control arm bushings. Kind of a pain to do it yourself (even if you own your own press), but well worth it. The OEM bushings have a lot of play (which isn't a good thing when you are talking about dynamic camber/toe). They are also very prone to wearing out. |
Re: Whats the best strut tower bar for EM2s? Yup, I was referring to the control arm bushings. The install is a bit of a pain, because you need to have a shop press them into the lower control arms but otherwise it's a pretty simple job. Like Max said, they stiffen up the front end nicely and replace the flimsy oem ones. They're around $45. The es motor mount bushings won't make as significant a difference, but like the control arm bushings the motor mount bushings are junk and prone to failure. Replacing them will stiffen up the front end a bit and help put power to the ground better. They're only $20 iirc. If you want an ongoing thread to show off and discus your mods create a build thread in member rides. |
Re: Whats the best strut tower bar for EM2s? pressing them wont be the probblem the problem is having time to do it lol at honda we're busy all day lol |
Re: Whats the best strut tower bar for EM2s? Oh, you work at a dealership? Thats sweet, you get to use some of the nice honda specific tools that the rest of us are to cheap to buy lol. Like the ball joint puller. |
Re: Whats the best strut tower bar for EM2s? yeah but sadly many honda specific tools are missing but it is nice when you need to use them and they're actually there Like the rear lca's on em2's, we dont have the socket to remove it, we have to order it |
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