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CGodwin3103 04-17-2003 07:29 PM

KMS Engine Development
 
Hey guys.
I just got off the phone with John from KMS (Kauffman Motor Sports).
We spoke for a while about the 7th gen em model (dx,lx,ex) and the services for which they provide for our car.
If at any point you feel you need more detail than I have produced, feel free to msg me or aim me at: CGodwin3103 for more depth.

Firstly let me address the popular intake manifold question...
KMS is in essence an R&D company which fabricates pieces.
The KMS intake manifold that is street has a waiting list, if you wish to get one (after talking to John I would suggest waiting for it though) you will have to wait. At this point John said it would be about 2 months before he finishes his present order of IM, and after that would be able to fabricate more. It was addressed that you should be patient in waiting for the IM, KMS is not a mass production company, the intake manifolds are made by hand when ordered and they work on more than just an IM for our car.
The street intake manifold is pretaped for nitrous, but is covered by screws if you wont, or until you get nitrous. It is plug and play, basically bolt-on and the fuel sections will remain in the stock position however you can speak to John about this, or get further detail I haven't covered about the IM.

Now, onto the other products KMS fabricates.
KMS can fabricate High compression pistons for your application, John said that the high-compression pistons can be made from 10:1 up to 13.5:1 compression (this is just nuts... I had to catch my breath)

KMS will port & polish the head... Stage 2 at 800 dollars, comprising of the head being completley redone, cleaned, glass beaded, port & polished, and flow tested, John said that he was able to make our head match the flow of a gsr (somewhere around 260, didn't write down the number, sorry.)

They also perform Block Deck (raising compression), John said that he does not however recommend H-C pistons and a block decking though, as you will be much more likely to have the piston hit, the block can be decked 10-40 thousandths.

As well, a throttle-body can be produced that is 62mm, no it's not oversized to 64 or 65, but it flows better and matches the velocity best for the car.

They can produce block gaurds that work with the OEM head gaskets, being more effective than general block gaurds, and far better than stock block gaurds which are open.

KMS manufactures Valves, Retainers, and Springs, which can be made to stock or oversized by .5mm over stock. And you can get The springs and retainers for 270.
There produce retainers made out of an awesome aerospace 20/25 which can withstand 1000 degrees (we wont see over 240 or 270 as this is when our oil will boil), and can withstand 1000 lbs. of presure. These are very strong and can be purchased for 60 dollars.

John said that in a few months they will have Titanium retainers for our car (skunk2 wont be happy...lol)

Again, it is a small waiting game for the Intake manifold, be patient.
KMS is biulding a race EM so I imagine they will probably in the future work on rods or other internals.

You can go onto ebay to find KMS products, as well you can go to there ebay store.
Otherwise, KMS's website is http://www.hondarace.com
And their phone number (long distance, not a toll number) is 770.652.3538
If you live in Covington, GA you might be able to visit...
When you contact KMS ask for John and tell him that Craig sent you and he will work with you to help you get what your looking for, and answer any questions that you may have.

AIM:CGodwin3103
E-mail: craiggodwin@swbell.net

If you have any questions just contact me if you cant get a hold of John;
KMS' Hours are 9am-6pm EST
(or 8am-5pm central)

Boosted2k2 04-17-2003 08:15 PM

Good post. Good info. Thanks!:D :_beer: :clap:

v8eaterokv6 04-17-2003 08:56 PM

if i only had the money

Bartkat 04-17-2003 10:50 PM

http://www.7thgencivic.com/forums/sh...threadid=74483

CGodwin3103 04-20-2003 10:41 PM

Lol, I understand eater...

cwick187 04-21-2003 12:29 AM

Cool!! Thanks

synikal 04-21-2003 01:45 AM

yes, the money issue is a bish:moon:

EEN 04-21-2003 08:12 AM

how much for the intake manifold...i heard that it was only 500?

Maverick 04-21-2003 08:48 AM

yes it was 500...250 when you order, 250 when he ships, though i don't think he's taking more orders at this point, he's still trying to finish the initial orders

slystad810 04-27-2003 11:07 PM

That would be really cool if he did a group buy for the IM and I'm sure he would get a lot of orders.

injencivic 04-27-2003 11:09 PM

can u say groupbuy??? :rofl:

Injen

Spazbitte 04-28-2003 10:12 AM

And they said we wouldnt get any power from our blocks. We will get some. Enough to piss off some low end Mustang Owners.

HomerSimpson 04-28-2003 10:30 AM

I really need more money :rofl:

greatcasa 04-28-2003 11:53 AM


Originally posted by Spazbitte
And they said we wouldnt get any power from our blocks. We will get some. Enough to piss off some low end Mustang Owners.
Who said this?

prototype 04-28-2003 12:26 PM

DID HE SAY N E THING ABOUT A CAM?

RedDragon333 04-28-2003 12:32 PM

no cam in production yet but i can see a good future with KMS, i was thinking about a swap but if they can get a good amount of power outta this block i might stick with it.

XTREME2K2CIVIC 04-28-2003 02:34 PM

I'm with you RedDragon all motor sounds nice.... Hey Craig this was a very informative thread man.. Good Job...........

Maverick 04-29-2003 06:14 AM

still waiting to hear from KMS on the manifold...custom or not, he definitely didn't deliver on his promise

Civic2001LX 05-01-2003 01:04 AM

does this work for all models? ex: Ex, Lx, Dx?

Ike 05-01-2003 01:10 AM

I talked to John about all that and I think I may save up and get the P&P head work. He said the stage 3 is not good for street driving but he could do a stage 2 with some of the stage 3 work too. He said that would be $1K. Also he said the stage 2 is supposed to give 15% to 30% hp gains. I am seriously gonna consider this.

chocobo15_2000 05-17-2003 10:27 AM

P&P
 
hmm..seems KMS only has a shop in GA? None in CALI?!??!? Crappers, i'd have to drive coss country to get port n polish! BOOOO ... u guys know any shops around CALI that do this stuff? and is reliable?
Thanks:confused: :help: :confused:

RedDragon333 05-17-2003 10:31 AM

Re: P&P
 

Originally posted by chocobo15_2000
hmm..seems KMS only has a shop in GA? None in CALI?!??!? Crappers, i'd have to drive coss country to get port n polish! BOOOO ... u guys know any shops around CALI that do this stuff? and is reliable?
Thanks:confused: :help: :confused:

your in Cali, picka spot ALL the shops are in Cali, i kick myself in the A$$ everytime a new shop comes out its in Cali, do some research youll find some trustworthy spots.

Maverick 05-18-2003 06:03 PM

still no word from kms...wtf...it's getting ridiculous now...i mean send us an email or somethin,throw a dog a bone.i'm calling them tomorrow, maybe get my money back

cwick187 05-18-2003 09:44 PM


Originally posted by Maverick
still no word from kms...wtf...it's getting ridiculous now...i mean send us an email or somethin,throw a dog a bone.i'm calling them tomorrow, maybe get my money back
I'm wondering about what's going on myself. I was supposed to get mine last week. if I had the time, I would call them and see what's going down with this. Maverick, if you call tomorrow, tell them that we need to know some definite answers. Otherwise, I will be getting my money back as well. All of my friends have always had good things to say about KMS. I DUNNO!?!?!?!

Maverick 05-20-2003 09:24 AM

yeah, i'll call...now where did i put that number.....

cwick187 05-20-2003 10:28 AM

Well, I just got an email saying that it is ready to be shipped. So I'm gonna make a drive down there and pick it up.

Maverick 05-21-2003 01:29 PM

yeah, i just got off the phone with him, mine ships tomorrow

RedDragon333 05-21-2003 01:30 PM

i guess its time to call him soon

chocobo15_2000 05-21-2003 07:19 PM

you don't need NOS or turbo's on your car to utilize this manifold do you? I plan to keep my car NA so I was wondering if there's a point for me to get this thing.

Thanks

cwick187 05-21-2003 10:03 PM

It should help out with the other bolt-ons that you have put on your car (intake, header, exhaust) but if you do decide for forced induction, you will benefit even more from the manifold.


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