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Ladies and gentlemen for those of you who have been waiting for these little beauties from Energy Suspension I dropped my car off yesterday to have them fit their bushings and do any development they will need to do to send these out on the market. I expect to get my car back by friday complete with these new babies installed.


Erm No ETA on when they will be available though...

 
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sweetness

 
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I am assuming this is bushings for the moving suspension parts? If so, can someone tell me why would we want to upgrade to them?. I know that poly last longer and has less friction than rubber, but what, in terms of performance, will the car gain? Thanks

 
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Stiffer ride...better handling....

www.energysuspension.com can give you more details as to what they do.

 
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Which bushings specifically? The ones in the front lower control arms? The ones in the rear lower control arms? Which ones?

 
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According to them...any and all they can replace on the 2k1 civic.

Even some for the RSX since we share some similar parts...if they can get them to fit.

 
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i can hear the squeaking already... .... but that's cool though. I could use better handling.

 
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Stiffer bushings Force the suspension to work the way it was designed to work, with Little to no Diflection that is allowed by stock Rubber bushings. The Factory uses Rubber bushings to lower Vibrations ect to make the ride more cushy. Not exactly what you are looking for IN a performance setup. If you were building a race car you would be using Metal bushings to COmpletly remove any compliance at the joints. Polyurithain is a good comprimise between The harshness of Solid bushings and the Softness of Rubber bushings.

 
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Thanks for the info guys. Would this be a worthwhile addition to a suspension setup?
currently I have
RSX 19mm rear sway bar
Rear tie bar
Neuspeed front strut bar
OBX rear strut bar

WTB
Progress front sway bar
Neuspeed/Tanabe front under brace
Lowering springs with shocks.

I want a stiff suspension, but nothing race car like because it will still be a daily driver. Thanks.

 
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Get kidney pads and you'll be ok. =)

 
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For daily driving all that you have listed seems to be ok. Polyurethane bushings are a compromise of metal bushings and rubber bushings. Non street legal race cars use metal bushings to put the most power to the ground and quicken the car's reaction to turns. The bad thing about it is it it'll have a really harsh ride with the metal bushings. So companies sell polyurethane as a replacement. You'll need to grease them once a year So if you plan on just doing it for a nice ride and are lazy I'd stay away from them. If you don't mind the work and early morning squeeking I'd get them. But sounds like you are just getting the parts for a hobby. Are you racing your car at all?

 
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I want to start autocrossing sometime soon. I am not sure out to break into it. I don't want to race my car alot during the season just about 5 times or so. But i like the feeling of a stiff car, but I also don't want to compromise too much of my ride quality.

 
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I would go for it if you plan on autoXing the ride and its not too bad of a gig so go for it Rob. Its Urethane so your not sacrificing much of ride quality

 
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Be warned though, you may think that you only want to autocross 5 times a year, I though that too..... Now I count the days till the next event. 19 days and counting. mmmmmmmmm............ autocross.............

Las Vegas May 4th Round 7, in the Bullring parking lot. and Im in the points race now too, Right now I'm 4th in my class overall.

 
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Hehe, freak! Nah, j/k. I wish I had the time to do autocross. I have the suspension mods. Just need the helmet. LOL

 
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Grey they allow helmets to be lent out to everyone Just give them your drivers license and badabing badaboom you are ready to race. Make sure your battery is tied down, wheel bearing in working order, throttle body not obtruded by objects, and nothing in the trunk.




Rob for daily driving urethane bushings aren't that bad. I have urethane bushings for the front sway bar and soon for the rear sway bar. For the most part those 2 haven't given me that loud of a squeek unless you get the full bushing kit which is what Dirtysanchez is most likely getting. For autox you don't need the best parts in order to compete, the best you can do to start with is seat time and experience. So for now I think you should go out and compete in the Novice group.

 
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True, If I could start over with my car, I would prefer to have run stock for a while (When I bought the car it had 17's and H&R Spings allready on it) Now Im in STS (ONe of the most competitve classes nation wide) and I have a lot more to learn. Oh well, Live and learn.
The important thing is, That some people may have their expensive sports cars and Turboed Imports, BUt at least I take mine out and push it around the track once and a while.

Autocross:
90% driver
3% car
7% Crazy MOJO

 
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I was reading their site and it says that they make motor mount inserts. Do they offer those to people who race alot because the OEM rubber ones wear down from all the giggling the car does on the course?

 
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I would imagine you can order some from one their distributors...if it is for your 7th gen I'll find out within the next couple days what will be offered kuz it should be on the car.

 
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Note to Rob: If you plan on going into autox choose a class your car can compete in pretty competitively and watch out for what you put on yoru car. Little things like the Neuspeed X-Brace might mvoe you up a class.

 
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What class would i be in? I have 17's, front and rear upgraded sway bars, and front and rear strut tower bars? Oh yeah, front and rear camber kits too. I wouldn't want to compete before I learned the basics though, so could I just drive around with my setup and not be in any "class"? Or would I be in that class and just not be ranked as high? So... What I'm getting at is, are there classes in SCCA Solo II for everything no matter what you do and they're rated as well?

 
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For the first 3 events or however many the local chapters specify you will run novice. Which is a beginners level class where no points are given or anything like that. It's just like a practice year basically. But after that you definatly will not be in STS (Street Touring S(everything but R compound tires)), but in Street Modified class. Which is basically any forced induction(no nitrous is allowed), any aftermarket sway bar is allowed, basically anything besides internal work to the engine is allowed. Street prepared is where people spend $10k+ just to knock .000001 seconds off which is too crazy and expensive for me. Not too sure on your local rules check for your local regional area. Click here since I'm not too familiar with the NE of the US

 
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This should answer basic questions to the basic autox events. Anythign after that can be answered by local autoxers at events

 
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Looks like either Street Prepaired, Street Modified or Street touring.

Street Prepaired was the class that I would have been in if they didnt offer Street Touring here In las vegas. Street Modified is for all you guys with RSX engins.


Street Touring Is what Im in, It's Very competitive. But dont let that Discurage you, Just go and race. It took me Half a season just to be 2-3 seconds off the leaders in my class. Parts is parts and can only do so much, Seat time is what really matters. I still get beaten by a guy in H Stock driving an old Tiberon. By a good 2 seconds too, of cours he's been autocrossing for 15 years.

For your first season, dont even try for points. Just go and learn. Find out who is good and learn from them. Ask if you can ride with them, but dont just go for a ride. Whatch what he is doing, When he brakes for a turn, when he starts to accelerate out of the turn ect....

This is the First Full season for me, and Im actually taking it seariously. Im In 4th right now! thats out of 35 cars in STS!!!!!

Just go and have some fun, And dont worry if you come in last in your class. Every one does on their first time out.

 
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He has front and raer sway bars that automatically kicks him up to Street Modified class.

Not quite. Street touring is up to 2000cc's with 4 seats. The RSX can still be classed in STS as long as they don't have R compound tires.

Sorry just tryign to clear things up

 
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Street Touring allows for Different Front/ Rear Anti-sway bars. And the Crack about the RSX engin was ment for thouse of us who are lucky enough to have engin swaps. Sorry about the confusion. The only thing I see That would kick him out of STS would be the Camber kits.

17.7. ANTI-SWAY BARS
Any anti-sway bar is permitted. Bushing material, method of attachment, and locating points are unrestricted. This does not authorize removal of a welded-on part of a subframe toa ccommodate the installation. Components such as anti-roll bars and strut housings which serve dual purposes by also functioning as suspension locators may not be modified in ways which change the suspension geometry or steering geometry


17.8. SUSPENSION

Ride height may only be altered by suspension adjustments, the use of spacing blocks, leaf spring shackles, torsion bar levers, or change or modification of springs or coil spring perches.

Suspension bushings may be replaced with bushings of any materials (except metal) as long as they fit in the original location.

On vehicles with strut-type suspensions, adjustable camber plates may be installed at the top of the strut, and the original upper mounting holes may be slotted.



Camber kits may be installed on vehicles that do not have McPherson strut type suspensions.

For complete rules see

RULES As of 2003

 
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Ehhh? Last time I checked front sway bar is allowed bushings only. No change of the rear sway bar is allowed although the people with the RSX sway bars get away with it Just confusion thats all

 
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Oh ya, Some regions dont have a "novice" year. It depends Region to region. Mine didn't but that may be be cause we are so small, we average 70 cars per event. Go and have some fun. STS also does not allow for Weight reduction(No Carbon Fiber Hoods) or change of brake calipers. You can change the rotor as long as it remains the same size as stock and you can use what ever pad will fit stock calipers. THat is the stuff that will bump you to Street Mod.

We need a sticky some where to post all this stuff.

 
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I think we need to make a new thread in Street Encounters. The mods have actually been thinking of adding an autox forum (at least I posted about it) . Not too sure what is going to happen. I'm hoping we get our own forum so we can leave the suspension threads alone.

 
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Damn, I'de be in street modified then. Bleh. Probably some stiff competition in that class, right?