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I was just wondering if anyone knew why Honda does not sell the Civic Type-R ( or anything Type-R) in the US? I don't really want to know any rumors or why you THINK they don't I'm more wondering if Honda has ever stated a reason? I was looking at the Type-R Civic and I want one so bad

 
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because import enthusiasts like us only represent a very small population of honda drivers. most old adults don't give a f$ck about type Rs.

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my theory: desire for speed = plenty of money.

thats why we have the integra type r, acura rsx type s, soon to come (so i heard) infinity skyline (not nissan)... i bet if you go to a foreign country, a camaro ss or a corvette or a mustang saline will be rare...

 
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[hr]Originally posted by: 2k1USMCivic
my theory: desire for speed = plenty of money.

thats why we have the integra type r, acura rsx type s, soon to come (so i heard) infinity skyline (not nissan)... i bet if you go to a foreign country, a camaro ss or a corvette or a mustang saline will be rare...

 
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my friend whos sales manager at Honda near me, went to a regional meeting, and actaully alot of dealers have been requesting a type R Civic, the reason they were givin for its absense, is that it my cut into RSX type S sales...being that they have the same engine and all... but the probability of bringing it is being heavily considered tho he was told. so the future shall tell!!!!

 
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well i read HT (hondatuning ) and they say the CTR is supposed to be out around spring
and they dont know the bout DC5!
haha ah well.. just hope and pray they come

 
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American Muscle cars are rare everywhere else because gas is $5.00 a gallon in Europe. There are taxes on cars with anything more than 4 cylinders and they're rediculous. You can get a Mercedes S320, and BMW makes a 725i to keep the taxes down.
Type R's would probably sell here, but to a select group of enthusiasts. The idea of a $30000 Honda Civic would cross most peoples minds as rediculous, just like a $70000 or 80000 Nissan Skyline would sound crazy to most people because it's "just a nissan". Besides getting the K20A2 in an Si body, most of the gained speed due to weight reduction would be lost by the time the government made sure it was "safe enough" to drive. The much stiffer suspension would probably have to be loosened up a bit because US roads are worse than European roads (they really are, a Pot hole on the Autobahn is incredibly rare where as if you go 1/2 a mile in the US you're lucky.) Perhaps there could be an Acura version of the Si under some other name, but an Acura Hatch would seem just as strange. They don't bring them here because most people have been trained by advertisements on where cars belong and things getting expensive and retaning the name of a well-known less economy car is something Honda isn't willing to gamble on.
The Integra Type-R may have some promise, but it would still have to either beat or match the 350Z and upcoming RX-8 in the value and performance areas to be a success. They really shouldn't be put together, but that's how most people will put it..."Lets see, I can get a $32000 4 banger, or a faster V6 for $28000, hmmmmmmmmmmm"

 
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the ctr is a good car but if anything i rather see them bring over some jap spec sti's, evo's,gtr's...hell just some j-spec cars...and not the cheezy version we get

 
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there is an acura hatch

 
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Ill just import it then when I can get around to robbing a bank

 
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ya its called a integra

 
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cause they dont like americans

 
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Yeah, but not a minivan style hatch like the CTR...

 
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The "infiniti skyline" you speak of is presentlly the Nissan Altima (I think) and the Infiniti G35 Sedan, 35 standing for the 35th generation skyline, a G35 coupe is coming out, but it is massivelly detuned and restyled (more like destyled) from the R32 R33 and R34's we all know and love. In japan it's the same thing, so don't the U.S. isn't getting the shaft quite as much this time.

 
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reason 4 the civic not bein on sale in the US is because clashing sales with the integra-r (what MugenracerX said)......thats what the magazines say in the UK..........apparently the integra is a much better car?????


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the reason the type r isn't here is not because honda doesn't want to sell one in the us. it's the same reason the RSX here only has 200 hp while in japan it has much more. the USA has a limit on the HORSE POWER TO WEIGHT RATIO, that's it, the government doesn't see a reason for a 2400lbs car to have over 200hp. why do you think mustangs and vettes and camaros are so heavy? that's the real reason, not because honda thought they would out sell one of the other cars they produce.

 
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Can someone confirm that?

 
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well hey, i saw a 7th gen today on the freeway, a black one with some girl driving it that looked like she was on crack. she had a type R sticker on the back, it must have been a true type R, right?.... right?

 
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No.

The first news about the DC5R was that Acura didn't want to bring the Type R back over here because they don't want to ruin their Type S market. But even if they did bring it here, you'd have to get 98 octane for the car.

On the other hand, truthfully... HOW ARE Acura's sales coming along? I hear different stories, and the truth would definitely help Acura's future decision on giving us a Type R.

The latest news said they had no plans on bringing it here BUT they will offer the suspension, wing and the shift **** for $4,800 for the Type S. (Which is bull...)

I don't care about the Civic Type R as much. Though the Civic line is doing much better than the Integra line here (almost predictable for the fact that the new Integra (RSX) is only a coupe) I do see why it'd be easier for us to have a Civic Type R, but what about the Si? It might be an opportunity for the Si to completely get cut (or maybe changed back to a coupe at least!) and leave the hatch to being a Type R here... permanently?

 
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that weight to HP crap you are talking is BS...just look at the s2000 dumb ***

 
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I dunno if what he said was true either but the s2000 is not a light car.

 
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the real reason that we dont have the type r in america along with many of the other japanese cars in america is becuz those cars would compete too much with the american sport and muscle cars.....camaros and mustangs and such r way overpriced and their quality is nothing compared to the japanese....u can have the same power in one of thier cars as in something like a z28 or something for way less and u get more car.....america doesnt want the american market to be outdone.....gm and ford have too much power here and wont allow this to happen.....but the brightside is....there is hope becuz for the longest time we couldnt get a fullsize japanese truck in america but then we argued enuff and got the toyota tundra which is a v8 fullsize so there is hope for our desired cars too....just keep hope alive and fight the power

 
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you, sir, are an idiot. not only are camaros and mustangs = to or cheaper then the JDM "muscle cars" (even in japan), but they are, on the most part, faster. learn something and better your self.

 
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um no...buddy....the ss camaro costs 31 g and type rs dont cost that much.....and all it is a big engine......so u learn somethin

 
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You can't compare an ITR to a Camaro, just look at the drivetrain difference. The Camaro runs mid 13s STOCK, and it'll take the ITR nealy a full second later to cross the finish line. If you're gonna pay around $30,000+ for a car that runs 13s, compared to a car that runs 14s at around $25k, I'd say that is not overpriced.

Oh, and it's more than just a "big" engine.

 
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And a base Z28.. with the SAME ENGINE could be bought for under 23K. new. Thats LESS then a dealer mark-up ITR. Besides this isnt what i was refering to DINGUS. I sad "muscle car". The ITR is NOT a japanese muscle car. Try the Supra or FairLady Z, which both cost MUCH more then even the LS1 SS or WS6 TA. So bite me.

 
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who ever said they dont want to sell it here because of the HP to weight ratio lmao get a clue.

Its not sold here because they dont want to cute into acura sales, when the 99-00si came GSR's sales dropped for awhile and acura wasnt to happy about that.

Next it is possible the CTR and Integra R (and get off my sac about it being a RSX because everywhere else in the world its an integra) could go on sale here but i wouldnt buy either nice cars but not for me. So if acura thinks a CTR wont hurt sales then chances are it will go on sale here but i wouldnt hold your breath since Acura already said the Integra R isnt coming over instead they are just making a S model with aero and suspension upgrades.

 
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Hi, care to go buy yourself a clue, and then get back to us. New Z28's typically put down 300+rwhp, for about $23k. That's the same price as an RSX-S, which has about 150 hp less, is front wheel drive (not a good thing for handling, if you know how to drive), and doesn't respond as well to mods.

For the money, I'd much rather have a 12-second Z28 than a high 14 second RSX, with a lot more potential to boot. I think I could live with a slightly cheaper interior, in exchange for a full 2 seconds in the 1/4 mile, and better handling and braking, too.

Predicted excuses: RSX's have better interiors, and are more reliable!!! Then, you're going to pretend that those factors actually matter.

 
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ah, and before its brought up. Yes, a 5.7L 6Spd MTX Z28 can and will get 26-28 MPG.

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complaments of OSoSlo

how does ford or gm tell honda what they can sell and what they can't sell in america? perhaps the reason beyond some perceived prejudice against japanese cars is that the type-r is a bit pricey for our market.

according to honda.co.uk the civic type-r's base price is £15,995.00 ($25,056.12 given the current rate of 1gbp = 1.56650usd).
according to honda.com.au the integra(rsx) type-r's base price is $43,990aud ($23,875.83 given the current rage of 1aud = 0.542756usd).

granted exchange rate pricing isn't an accurate reflection of regional pricing, but it is a meter to what honda feels the car's value is and apparently honda feels the type-r is roughly a $25k car.

at $25k that puts its price right out of the window for honda. hell the civic si at $19k is selling so little that honda dealers are marking them down. how well do you think a $25k civic is going to sell in america? an rsx type-s retails around $23k (right?) and i doubt honda is interested in marketing another rsx above the type-s for even more money. ($30k?)

the reason that the type-r isn't in america has less to do with gm and ford and more to do with honda's business and marketing plans then anything else.