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Unbelievable...........

Honda USED to be pretty smart..........

 
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One word: Bulls**t. You're right... Honda USED to be smart. They will sell more Type Rs than "factory tuned suspension". But this is nothing new. It's just like the suspension for our Civic but just a lil' pricier because it comes with brake upgrades. I think the cleanest thing about it are the rims that come with the package.

This is what you get for the Type S and what you're missing from the Type R.

You get:

Type R wing
Different shift ****
"Type R" suspension which is: Lower ride height, better brakes, 17 inch rims


You don't get:

Limited Slip Differential
Shorter gear ratios
Lighter car
Hand ported and polished 220HP engine
8,400 RPM redline
Better VTEC.
MUCH better engine internals to further support higher engine revving.
A car that doesn't feel like a FWD car
AND Recaro racing seats

Honda IS stupid. (Or is it Acura since they decide whether or not to import them here?) There was once a great man that understood what us Americans wanted when it came to machinery.

"More power!" -Tim Allen

And who cares about voiding suspension warranties for aftermarket stuff, it's a Honda!

EDIT: I will believe there will be no 2k3 Type Rs if Acura makes no word of it by the end of this year. Honda gave out the word for the new Si last December. Honda's limited edition R and Si models were released in the summer so I'll feel like this is confirmed until December. I won't get my hopes up but it's better to have some than to have none. My 02.

 
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Well, you COULD always buy your type S used or something, go to jdm hondaparts.com and get your Type R motor with LSD there. Have fun with the install [IMG]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/IMG]

 
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Oh well. If you want an R go for the DC2...there better anyways

 
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Well, let's wait and see what's said in December. I read somewhere something about a CTR next spring.............We'll see, don't lose all hope just yet!!

 
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I would seriously consider doing that, too. That's better than bending my **** over to Acura. The only problem is that the DC5R MUST take 98 octane. Nothing lower. $4 a gallon is [IMG]i/expressions/moon.gif[/IMG] <--- raped by oil companies.

I think the newer ITR is a lil' faster, but a modified DC2R's torque curve would own a stock DC5R. But I get where you're coming from, Neo. I'd still take a DC2R any day despite how old the Integra has become, the Type R will always be a classic in my eyes.

 
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Don't forget the LSD man!! 98 is really that expensive down there man? It's almost $2.00 here (WA)

 
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I dont know where you ppl are getting the 98 octane thing from. The dude on CRSX with the genuine Type R I believe was running 93 (94 is availiable around here) and it was running fine. The only place octane would even be an issue would be cali, and thats because you guys get jipped with 91.

 
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That guy lives in Cali.

From what I knew, I just thought it took 98 octane. Hmm... still makes me wonder.

 
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Mostly every reason Ive seen for the R not making it is Acuras marketing scheme set up for Type S and such. The only time ive ever seen octane said as an issue was over half a year ago, when the same 2 pictures of the R were being circled around.

 
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well if they dont bring the dc5r then we can all look forward for the CTR!!

 
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dont hold your breath- never has there been a CTR..if they wont bring an Integra/RSX-R, dont expect to see the Civic-R.

 
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i read it on honda tuning hahaha
release of the CTR is expected on spring time lolz
im just going by what they are saying lolz
ah well.. i hope one of them come cuz im just gonna rape one of the engines when they come hehe[IMG]i/expressions/demon.gif[/IMG]

 
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With the sales of the Si hatchback, and the fact there has never been a CTR...thats why I say dont hold your breath...if it is released come on down and Ill buy you dinner

 
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And it's really not a car Honda expects to make money off of. Just look at the limited #s they sold the old R in. Everything with Acura is Type S. With Honda, if the Si doesn't sell then we're pretty much screwed. Honda isn't gonna risk the Si's reputation AND more importantly, the money it would cost to bring the CTR over here. If "Type R" was as popular here as it is in Japan, then I'd say, "What the hell is Honda doing not giving us these cars?" Type S is still very new thus very not popular here. Though truthfully I see a lot more of the other Acura Type S's than the RSX, this is what I go by.

Everyone kinda wishes it was as simple as before. 3rd Gen Integras sold like Civics. The 99-00 Si sells more now than it did when it was initially released. We all know what's goin on with the new Si. It nearly has the same introduction.

NOW our new RSX... I don't think it's selling like the old Integra, and I think that's because there is no 4-door version to make the car seem versatile instead of just sporty. But until Acura can bring in enough cash from their Type S, a DC5R is gonna be nothing more but an enthusiast's dream or a lot more money to have the car brought over here. If Type S sold a lot more than it does now, maybe Acura will learn to count the alphabet backwards - Type R.

I wish I could say that the Si doesn't sell like it should because it's not a Type R. The Si is an "enthusiast's" car but I dunno... I think when the Type R got put into the spotlight, the Si seemed worth forgetting especially since it didn't really live up to people's expectations to those who DO like the Si. Kinda makes me wonder, what's going on with Honda's new generation of Civics?

And I'd love to say the same about the Type S since we've had a Type R before but Type S is "GS-R".

Perhaps there is room for a CTR since everything is Type S... ?

But compared to other limited edition models that are being released here such as the STi and EVO... I think the Integra should follow up and be in the competition. Not the Civic. I don't say that because I like the Integra more, I just say that cuz I think the Integra is better! It's also better known but I think the Civic is in more demand. That I can't comprehend.

 
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please tell me how you get "better VTEC".

 
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LOL, I threw that in for the hell of it being pissed off. [IMG]i/expressions/laugh2.gif[/IMG] But come to think of it, don't the Type Rs get more HP kick than the Type S when the VTEC kicks in? From what I know, the CTR gets a 40HP gain... the GS-R and the Si gets like a 20HP gain when it kicks in? Correct me if I'm wrong.

 
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this has nothing to do with VTEC. you may get the larger increase of power IN VTEC, but duh, those are the agressive cams. Its the internals of the engine and its tuning through intake and exhausts ports which make the extra power. BTW, the DC5-R in japan (which ISNT going to come here) makes 220 BHP over the S' 200. CTR was rated at 170 over the previous 160.

 
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Damn, only 170 for the CTR? I already knew about the DC5R but I kinda expected more from the CTR. (Like 200...) But I guess that would just make it virtually an ITR in a hatch. Although I know the difference between a Type R and and an Si/GS-R (with the engine internals giving a lot more than just an ample BHP increase) I don't really see what's so special about the CTR compared to the ITR except that I know it can turn better.

 
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first..the new CTR has 200hp...i wouldnt expect a Type R soon cause the last generation Teg had been out, what?.....3 years? before a type R was relased here...so maybe theres a pattern? or just they dont think itll be worth their while.

 
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The new Civic Type R is 200hp- it is a K20A2 with LSD in it, which the code was verified by a Type R owner on ephatch.

 
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i was talking about the previous CTR, not the EP.

 
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A CTR engine is the Type S engine? Something doesn't compute or is it just how they are in Japan? It can't be the Type S engine... the CTR engine is hand ported and polished like the Integra's, no?

 
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I believe you can use lower octane with the new K-series engine - almost all late-model ECU's will automatically compensate for the lower octane, but you won't get peak performance.