Everybody run!!! I have a plan...
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Everybody run!!! I have a plan...
New shortblock from honda
9:1 pistons
Crower rods
ARP hardware
Fancy redone head with some cam I haven't come up with yet
One off IM that I haven't thought up yet
Little turbo, and a whole lotta boost instantly.
3 questions...
Has anyone figured out if there's interchangable oil pumps? Its kind of a well known fact that the Z6 pump was much better than the rest of the D16 pumps... anyone know if this one is better or worse (which I assume) and what if any interchangability there may be?
Second... sleeve or no sleeve. Once again going on the D16 assumption 15 lbs seems to be the limit. I'm intending to run 10-11. Do I anticipate shooting a rod through the block? no, but I suppose the stock sleeves could walk on me. Block guard is an absolute no. I don't want to obstruct water to the head.... I'm doing this so the car can go on the track and not blow up, as much water as possible needs to move as fast as it can.
Third... who's got a picture of how much block notching needs to be done for the rods?
The fun part... I'm doing it myself (machining, if necessary, excluded)... gotta buy some more tools.
9:1 pistons
Crower rods
ARP hardware
Fancy redone head with some cam I haven't come up with yet
One off IM that I haven't thought up yet
Little turbo, and a whole lotta boost instantly.
3 questions...
Has anyone figured out if there's interchangable oil pumps? Its kind of a well known fact that the Z6 pump was much better than the rest of the D16 pumps... anyone know if this one is better or worse (which I assume) and what if any interchangability there may be?
Second... sleeve or no sleeve. Once again going on the D16 assumption 15 lbs seems to be the limit. I'm intending to run 10-11. Do I anticipate shooting a rod through the block? no, but I suppose the stock sleeves could walk on me. Block guard is an absolute no. I don't want to obstruct water to the head.... I'm doing this so the car can go on the track and not blow up, as much water as possible needs to move as fast as it can.
Third... who's got a picture of how much block notching needs to be done for the rods?
The fun part... I'm doing it myself (machining, if necessary, excluded)... gotta buy some more tools.
Last edited by Boilermaker1; Sep 23, 2006 at 02:57 PM.
sleeving the block is not a bad thing at all. At least you know it can hold on you if using aftermarket sleeves. I am not sure about changing the oil pump but if I can remember right it can't be done but do not quote me on it. Anyways sounds like you are on your way to a soild engine build
This pic may help
And if you open the water intake of the Block Guard you will get better flow
I burned two head gaskets because of walking after I installed this no problems and is hot here in florida
And if you open the water intake of the Block Guard you will get better flow
I burned two head gaskets because of walking after I installed this no problems and is hot here in florida
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Rep Power: 305 you could post the block instead of using a block guard. it works the same way just some people think of it as being ghetto. Serves the same purpose with less fluid restriction. search block posting.
What about changing the springs inside the pump? If you researched what to change on the D17 pump im sure it can be done. I've heard of people doing that with k24 oil pumps and making it better.
Sleeves aren't necessary bro. Everyone will tell you that you "should" just in case but if your tune is good and you watch your a/f''s, you'll be fine. I've been on 17ish psi for about 3k miles now and no problems at all, compression is just fine and my turbo isn't a small one.
Hectors pic should show you enough what the notching involves. After you notch, just bolt the big end onto the crank and measure your clearances. I'd say make sure you have no less than 20 thousandths, pick up a feeler gauge so you can check it.
If you're doing the rebuild yourself, feel free to hit me up if you have any questions. Its relatively easy but its also important to know what specs need to be different from oem, ie: ring gap, etc, etc.
Hectors pic should show you enough what the notching involves. After you notch, just bolt the big end onto the crank and measure your clearances. I'd say make sure you have no less than 20 thousandths, pick up a feeler gauge so you can check it.
If you're doing the rebuild yourself, feel free to hit me up if you have any questions. Its relatively easy but its also important to know what specs need to be different from oem, ie: ring gap, etc, etc.
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Rep Power: 296 The housing for the D16 oil pump bolts right up to our blocks but the drive is different. If you find a free junk D16z6 oil pump and rip it aparts maybe you can see if the parts are interchangeable. If they are buy a new one of each and make your own. I honest dont think you will have any problem at all running the stock D17 oil pump. Honda makes good OEM ****, Id run as much of it as possible with exception to the rods, pistions, and rings of course.
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Originally Posted by jester444
Wow, man. I'm envious. Hope it goes well. Do you have a shop to work in, or are you doing this in your garage?
Originally Posted by tfnaaf
you thinking bigger on the turbo???
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Originally Posted by skipbarber
this is going to get interesting...
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Rep Power: 256 dont remember where exactly i saw it, but i saw a d17 with some sort of dry sump oil pump on it ages ago. it kept all the oil in the lines and left the pan empty or something. guy said it was neccesary for 10k+ revs. he was building the worlds fastest d17 powered em2. maybe look into that and see if something inspires you.
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Rep Power: 256 ill dig around in some magazines and tv shows i have on my pc and see if i can find it somewhere. it was a boosted d17 though. i saw it on the salt flats or something. he made a 200+ mph run with an em2. dont know if it would be worth it or not. if i remember correctly it took a lot of modifying and im pretty sure its probably a one off piece.
^agreed...there was a feature in superstreet and another in honda tuning i think..em2 chassis, but a destroked and boosted b16 underhood. came in at just under 1.5 liters. I think it was sponsored by AEM. i remember the aluminum-dish hubcaps...reminded me of the old moon eyes wheels everybody used to rock on old school bombs
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Rep Power: 256 ok maybe it was a b16. must be another article on the most powerful d17 then. got any info on the oil system used on the b16? maybe something there could be useful on boilers project.
as soon as i posted i flipped open to the article. november 2005 honda tuning page 78. its a boosted b16 blue em2. its a barnes systems three stage dry sump pump z10 kit. up to 125 psi. hope some of that might be useful.
as soon as i posted i flipped open to the article. november 2005 honda tuning page 78. its a boosted b16 blue em2. its a barnes systems three stage dry sump pump z10 kit. up to 125 psi. hope some of that might be useful.
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Rep Power: 327 ABSOLUTELY no reason to rev that high on a street car, or even a street/track car, but back on topic , keep us posted..... I too have had thoughts of bigger numbers.... was thinking swap . But with the good foundation i currently have on the turbo system it may be a better idea to swap out some parts and build some more boost/flow
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Originally Posted by _unclejuice
sure its a pain in the *** but could be well worth it for 10k+ revs
Back to the original fun... Majestic Honda pissed me off today, they won't ship me a block... so I gotta drive to Rhode Island to get it, or find a place closer that has it for a similar price.
Originally Posted by Boilermaker1
The motor would never support it, the stroke is too long, the head wouldn't flow and there's no valvetrain that could handle that.
Back to the original fun... Majestic Honda pissed me off today, they won't ship me a block... so I gotta drive to Rhode Island to get it, or find a place closer that has it for a similar price.
Back to the original fun... Majestic Honda pissed me off today, they won't ship me a block... so I gotta drive to Rhode Island to get it, or find a place closer that has it for a similar price.
They wont ship you a D17 block?
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Originally Posted by dezod
Good news is.....we shipped all of our stuff to you Boiler. 
Well I think we all already knew Dezod>>> Honda, but that stuff is to keep this one alive long enough to get the other one finished. I'm taking my sweet old time though... and giving you time to finish the head and IM... so hurry up!
