New Piggyback ECU that yielded GREAT results
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New Piggyback ECU that yielded GREAT results
PCS is the name. We are now an authorized retailer for them....yes another line to the lineup....geesh!
Product Description:
The average street car tuner today faces a dilemma. What do you do when you add a stroker kit, supercharger or turbocharger to a modern streetcar? You want to keep all of the amenities offered by the car and you expect performance at least as good as the stock systems. What do you do with electronic throttle? How do you tune it? Solutions do exist but they are incomplete, erratic, require disabling of critical vehicle functions or cost far too much. The XFC is the solution. Designed for the modified street car, a properly tuned XFC can deliver the added fuel required by your high performance parts while keeping your stock powertrain management systems functioning as if no changes had occurred. Competing units offer MAF skew or O2 skew but have severe limitations. Many new vehicles learn to eliminate the changes caused by MAF skew devices through O2 feedback. Competing O2 skew systems cause the vehicle to enter open loop but can often cause vehicles to trigger trouble codes and enter a debilitating limp or failsafe mode. Fuel pump control systems exist but operate on insufficient information. Fuel pump control based on too little information forms a dangerous situation in which a vehicle can be easily provided with far too much or too little fuel based on dynamic weather, battery and fuel delivery system conditions.
Product Specifications:
· Engine RPM Input
· Frequency MAF/Vehicle Speed Input
· 2 Narrow Band O2 Inputs
· 2 Wide Band (from WBO2 controller) Inputs
· 2 MAF Sensor Inputs
· 1 MAP Sensor Input
· 1 TPS Sensor Input
· 1 Fuel Pressure Sensor Input
· 2 MAF Output Skews based on 3D 16x16 tables
· 1 Frequency MAF Output Skew based on 3D 16x16 tables
· 2 O2 Output Skews based on 3D 16x16 tables
· 2 Programmable PWM Output Skews based on 3D 16x16 tables
· High Power Direct Fuel Pump Control
· Future Ignition Control Capability
· In-Field Flash Upgradable
· RS 232, CAN (2.0b) communications
· Durable weather sealed connectors built into case.
· All components specified for automotive conditions.
· Easy to use windows software interface
· Realtime Datalogging & Monitor Screens
This unit has yeilded GREAT gains for a piggyback on a VERY tough ECU, the Lexus IS300. The system was used on a boosted IS300, formerly running the e-manage, and the car has been awesome according to the owner. The vehicle put down 628rwhp & 580rwtq @ 25 PSI. These types of numbers were never thought possible by anyone with a piggyback, now have come true. I think this could open some more cost effective doors for engine management on the D17 boosted platform.
Product Description:
The average street car tuner today faces a dilemma. What do you do when you add a stroker kit, supercharger or turbocharger to a modern streetcar? You want to keep all of the amenities offered by the car and you expect performance at least as good as the stock systems. What do you do with electronic throttle? How do you tune it? Solutions do exist but they are incomplete, erratic, require disabling of critical vehicle functions or cost far too much. The XFC is the solution. Designed for the modified street car, a properly tuned XFC can deliver the added fuel required by your high performance parts while keeping your stock powertrain management systems functioning as if no changes had occurred. Competing units offer MAF skew or O2 skew but have severe limitations. Many new vehicles learn to eliminate the changes caused by MAF skew devices through O2 feedback. Competing O2 skew systems cause the vehicle to enter open loop but can often cause vehicles to trigger trouble codes and enter a debilitating limp or failsafe mode. Fuel pump control systems exist but operate on insufficient information. Fuel pump control based on too little information forms a dangerous situation in which a vehicle can be easily provided with far too much or too little fuel based on dynamic weather, battery and fuel delivery system conditions.
Product Specifications:
· Engine RPM Input
· Frequency MAF/Vehicle Speed Input
· 2 Narrow Band O2 Inputs
· 2 Wide Band (from WBO2 controller) Inputs
· 2 MAF Sensor Inputs
· 1 MAP Sensor Input
· 1 TPS Sensor Input
· 1 Fuel Pressure Sensor Input
· 2 MAF Output Skews based on 3D 16x16 tables
· 1 Frequency MAF Output Skew based on 3D 16x16 tables
· 2 O2 Output Skews based on 3D 16x16 tables
· 2 Programmable PWM Output Skews based on 3D 16x16 tables
· High Power Direct Fuel Pump Control
· Future Ignition Control Capability
· In-Field Flash Upgradable
· RS 232, CAN (2.0b) communications
· Durable weather sealed connectors built into case.
· All components specified for automotive conditions.
· Easy to use windows software interface
· Realtime Datalogging & Monitor Screens
This unit has yeilded GREAT gains for a piggyback on a VERY tough ECU, the Lexus IS300. The system was used on a boosted IS300, formerly running the e-manage, and the car has been awesome according to the owner. The vehicle put down 628rwhp & 580rwtq @ 25 PSI. These types of numbers were never thought possible by anyone with a piggyback, now have come true. I think this could open some more cost effective doors for engine management on the D17 boosted platform.
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Rep Power: 0 BTW, unit is priced @ $495, which is more than an E_manage blue, but we will cut a deal to any 7thgener who wants to try it out. PCS has UNBELIEVABLE tech support if needed. Russ is the man there.
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Rep Power: 387 any word on the pcs unit with the rsx-s ? i'm torn right now between thinking about Kpro or the EMS so when I finally decide upon full all motor or boost I can tweak it to the fullest
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Originally Posted by eye_see_you
any word on the pcs unit with the rsx-s ? i'm torn right now between thinking about Kpro or the EMS so when I finally decide upon full all motor or boost I can tweak it to the fullest
I see that it has a map input. What about that little issue with the baro sensor? Is there a way that this can get around that? Also, does it use the cam and crank triggers, or just rpm?
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Originally Posted by dezod
Not yet. The RSX ECU does not seem incredibly hard. The IS300 seems to be one of the hardest we've encountered and for the PCS to work flawless on there leaves tons of hope for apps like the K20 & D17.
well Andy has the d17 handled, last time we met up he was running great but can't wait for the new results. I'm still thinking on what to do but hey its a great product for people to get and do more with the d17
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Originally Posted by andyman97
I see that it has a map input. What about that little issue with the baro sensor? Is there a way that this can get around that? Also, does it use the cam and crank triggers, or just rpm?
Here is an online Brochure about it as well:
http://www.powertraincontrolsolution...c_product1.pdf
This unit does not control iginition, but an add on unit will be available for modification of the cam & crank sensor signals, and ignition timing too.
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Originally Posted by turboengnr
how does this compare to the other unit i was looking to purchase from you?
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It has my attention. If it had the ignition timing adjustment feature, i would probably try it out. But sometime next week is when i am "allowed" to purchase something for myself.
It has my attention. If it had the ignition timing adjustment feature, i would probably try it out. But sometime next week is when i am "allowed" to purchase something for myself.
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Originally Posted by turboengnr
damn.
It has my attention. If it had the ignition timing adjustment feature, i would probably try it out. But sometime next week is when i am "allowed" to purchase something for myself.
It has my attention. If it had the ignition timing adjustment feature, i would probably try it out. But sometime next week is when i am "allowed" to purchase something for myself.
It did well with the IS300 & the 350Z. 2 Notorious ECUs.......
The supplimental unit that will control timing and crank signal will be out sometime this summer.
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Originally Posted by turboengnr
what is the projected cost of upgrading from one unit to the other?
PCS is $495 with you wiring it in on your own. We are going to create a full PnP for this too, which will run about $200.
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Rep Power: 424 If it'll run the car, I'll guinea pig it. Is there like a list of tuners and stuff?
Lemme do some more research on the gizmo, but I haven't bought the e-manage yet.
PM me, we can talk behind the scenes....
Lemme do some more research on the gizmo, but I haven't bought the e-manage yet.
PM me, we can talk behind the scenes....
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Rep Power: 380 how easy is this ti tune with? do you need a laptop? can you run it street tunnned until you get it to a dyno shop? i planing on takeing my car to a local speed shop to have it tunned? would that be a problem? how would this compare to the AEM EMS as far as runability with a stage 2 boost cam? sorry for all the questions but im super intrested.
Piggybacks are no substitute for a true standalone, the stock ecu still makes changes, it's never as accurate. As with any fuel management, once you install, you should always have a certified tuner tune your setup, it's not something that just anyone should try to do themselves.
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Originally Posted by Boilermaker1
If it'll run the car, I'll guinea pig it. Is there like a list of tuners and stuff?
Lemme do some more research on the gizmo, but I haven't bought the e-manage yet.
PM me, we can talk behind the scenes....
Lemme do some more research on the gizmo, but I haven't bought the e-manage yet.
PM me, we can talk behind the scenes....
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Originally Posted by ajhdragon
how easy is this ti tune with? do you need a laptop? can you run it street tunnned until you get it to a dyno shop? i planing on takeing my car to a local speed shop to have it tunned? would that be a problem? how would this compare to the AEM EMS as far as runability with a stage 2 boost cam? sorry for all the questions but im super intrested.
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Originally Posted by andyman97
Piggybacks are no substitute for a true standalone, the stock ecu still makes changes, it's never as accurate. As with any fuel management, once you install, you should always have a certified tuner tune your setup, it's not something that just anyone should try to do themselves.
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Rep Power: 327 I'm sure with time , Patience, and knowledge you can tune this yourself just like any other piggyback or standalone. You'll get out of it what you put in to it.
I did some initial research and it looks to be a decent system. I do like the idea of it adjusting to try to maintain a specified AFR. It would be interesting to see how fast it actually adjust it and if it would be more of watching the AFR jump from max rich, to max lean to slowly stabilize at your specified AFR or would it be a pretty consistent instantaneous adjustment. I played with teh software and read thru the installation manual a bit....... here are the links for those interested.
Manual
Product brochure
Software
Originally Posted by ajhdragon
how easy is this ti tune with? do you need a laptop? can you run it street tunnned until you get it to a dyno shop? i planing on takeing my car to a local speed shop to have it tunned? would that be a problem? how would this compare to the AEM EMS as far as runability with a stage 2 boost cam? sorry for all the questions but im super intrested.
I did some initial research and it looks to be a decent system. I do like the idea of it adjusting to try to maintain a specified AFR. It would be interesting to see how fast it actually adjust it and if it would be more of watching the AFR jump from max rich, to max lean to slowly stabilize at your specified AFR or would it be a pretty consistent instantaneous adjustment. I played with teh software and read thru the installation manual a bit....... here are the links for those interested.
Manual
Product brochure
Software
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Originally Posted by dezod
This unit does not control iginition, but an add on unit will be available for modification of the cam & crank sensor signals, and ignition timing too.
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Originally Posted by turboengnr
How much for ^^^ that when it comes out?
His asking how much is the additional unit when it comes out
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Rep Power: 327 I like the target AFR feature. If this works as good as it sounds i can for see a lot of these on boosted D17's
Originally Posted by Pedro Lopes
This thing seems to be a lot more tunable than a e-manage. who's going to be the guinea pig.
