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Sup guys, I have a member of this board for a lil bit now and you guys are very helpful, so I hoping you guys will be able help me with this issue I am having. Well my previous car before my current car 03 Civc ex 5spd, was a
94 Pontiac Transam. That car was blast to drive but unfortunately I had to sell it. So now I am in the market looking for another decent quick fast car. I thought about doing a Eg with B18C1 swap with turbo, or I should do a K20A2 swap on the coupe I have. Also the coupe is my daily driver. So you guys out there with the K20's how much did it cost you guys to do the project? (if you don't mind me asking). Any information will be greatly appreciated. Thank you.

 
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Well you said that "Any information will be greatly appreciated", so I guess that my opinion, no matter how twisted, counts as well : keep the civic stock, unless it's a track-only car, or if you can do the job of a qualified mechanic, do the swap yourself.

You've probably already realised that modifying a car = losing value faster than it should and that it's a hobby, a costly one at that. I just don't see the fun in paying someone to do work on your car -- it's not really a hobby at that point, unless your name is David Usher or Will Smith.

And should you decide to go "show" instead, for the love of god... FWD cars don't need spoilers!

 
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i say used s2000 for speed and used is300 if you need 4dr's and some trunk space. Both cars can be found for around 20k. Your car is probably worth like 10k, a swap will cost you around 3-7k depending on much of it you do yourself. The cost is very close.

 
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ok k20a is a high compression motor so if your going to turbo it you have to do alot of prep work. i say go for the hatch with a b16. or the hatch with a k20. but the civic is not worth swapping unless you want to keep it for a long time. but, knowing that is never prevelent, i say get the old hatch beater and play with it instead. keep your 7thgen as a daily driver

 
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Thank you guys for all the info. Yea now after reading the responses, I am gonna go for the hatch and leave the 7th gen alone.

 
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Do what I did!!! really, though, if you just want a fun little gas sipping car, buy another car to toy with. The swap will cost you 3-7k, at least 5k with want the 200 hp K20. For 5k you can buy a nice old GS-R, the GS-R already comes with a tight (I mean strong unibody and what not) and an excellent B18C1 engine that has endless mods you can do. The older B series engines are also a little more friendly to mods than current Honda engines, although the max power is certianly higher on a well built K than a well built B, but that is goning to cost a huge amount and that doesn't sound like what you want. So the GS-R sounds more like what you want, a fun little car that is pretty mod friendly (ok, you won't make 30 hp from a set of headers like you can on my truck), but it weighs very little and has gobs of technology that even the most modern cars don't have. Just my .02

 
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I've got a 2001 K20 civic ex that I was lucky enough to grab for 11,000 and its the best car Ive owned. Other than luxury wise, I would much rather have this car than an IS300. If Im not mistaken, the IS is significantly heavier and makes somewhere in the ballpark of 200 hp, just like the K20. It is a pricey swap, but I do believe its worth it because its the new generation of the civic and swapping parts from the civic si and rsx has been a f'in blast. I was gonna turbo mine, but I've decided to go autocross, build it N/A and work my suspension up. If you've got the cash, be different and go with the K20 EM2

 
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gotta take me for a spin in that, i'm local to you as well.

 
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k20a2 would yield more power and more potential than any B series swap.

a bolton k20a2 would be slightly faster than a bolton b18c1 hatch.

k20 swaps into hatches are retardedly expensive.

 
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if your interested in turbo you might as well just do a k20a3 swap and turbo that. I've seen a k20a3 swap go as cheap as $700 to 1500. The k20a3 is better for turbo since it has lower compression and wider gears so you can stay in boost longer.

 
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how bout a k24 block with a k20 head? i mean that would be a little cheaper huh? you could mod and not worry about blowing up the motor with boost. if i could afford that i would run it. does anyone know how much that would cost?

 
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^^^^
you should ask hondaluver. Before everyone knew about the hybrid motor, the k24's were really cheap, but the price is going up on it.

 
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"And should you decide to go "show" instead, for the love of god... FWD cars don't need spoilers!"

Finally! someone else knows this. I love people telling me how "well" the spoiler helps keep there car to the ground. I would understand if it was RWD. but not FWD.

 
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And what's your point??
Did you find k20 already???
There is a guy in CA selling civic with k20a alredy made for $3000.
Buy it and turbo it for another $3000.
Here you go, 13 sec car.
Nothing to worry about.
simple math.

 
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Ahmen To That

 
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So the rear wheels on a FWD car don't need any traction? I'm sorry, but I strongly disagree. When going on a high speed track, ALL your tires need as much traction as you can get, I know many people who have been able to cut over 10 second off the midOhio road track by adding a decent rear wing to their track car.

Now there are a few things I'll agree with, 99.9% of cars don't need a wing at all. The only time you need a wing is at higher speeds, that is the only time you actaully make enough wind drag to make actually do anything, and very few cars are taken to the point where this kind of thing matters. You seem to forget that most FWD cars have the engine placed infront of the front drive shafts,this means the axis of rotaion is in the front of the car, a rear wing can help move the axis of rotation into the center. Most RWD cars have a much better weight distibution than FWD cars, hence the axis of rotation is further back, and not as large of a wing is needed (yes, FWD cars actually need wings more than RWD cars because of uneven weight distbutions).

And like I mentioned, maybe only handful of cars actually need this kind of stuff, mostly track cars. A street car has no need for this kind of stuff because the streets are simply not good enough here in the US to push the car to the limits, which is where a wing comes in handy.

Also, if you re drag racing or anything other than doing high speed road courses (hopefully on a closed track), agian, a wing will probably hurt you more than help you.

 
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Yes I do realize for that, a wing is useful. But I would say atleast 75% of the cars you see on the road with "Park Bench" wings, never use them.

 
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You are being very generous at 75%

 
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Front canards or bust