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Please help me make a decision: I see that the H&R Springs are a little more expensive that Eibach...However I want the best ride quality and stay as true to stock ride as I can. H&R has a 1.3 drop in front and back. Eibach has a couple of different options. Which do you guys and gals think gives the best look and ride quality???

BTW I have EM2 with 17's 205/45's and stock susp. I don't think rubbing is an issue with that narrow tire

Please advise and thanks in advance

 
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I have h&r springs. They are a little stiffer than stock but ride nice for a lowered car. The drop is not much but it will settle and look real good with the 17's with 45's. You will need to change your struts. Do it while you have your car apart I did not and I blew my oem's in 2 months. Get tokico hp's and it will ride nice and handle good.

 
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i've got the eibach sportlines and 17s w/ 40s tires alittle stiffer but very impressed with ride. Had alot of compliments on ride for lowered car from friends and chicks ;-)

 
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I have heard that eibach can ride with OE struts and shocks...I guess H&R you need to change..is this true?

 
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Can and should are often two different things...

seriously, its a VERY good idea to get rid of the oem dampers (even if you keep the oem Springs). the things are bairly able to control the stock setup.

 
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i have the H&R's and they dropped pretty low actually, much lower than the 1.3" that they claimed, i have about a 2 finger gap up front and 1.5 finger gap in the back, the back went lower from giving people rides, it like.. compressed the springs in the back or something or, maybe it's supposed to be like that, i dont know, but it looks good and i like it, and i dont know how you blew your stocks in 2 months, but my stock shocks are okay still i've been on H&R's for 5 and a half months now, gona switch to either KYB AGX or Tokico D-specs soon though

 
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Your rear end "sag" is more likely caused by blown or weak rear shocks (seriously) once you swap out the dampers, you'll find the rear end to be more even with the front.

 
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i dont think it's the shocks cuz shocks aren't height adjustable, so there's no reason for it to go back up with aftermarket shocks is there??

 
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The OEM dampers, as well as 99% of dampers avalible now, are Gas Charged... and being as such they do influence ride height slightly. so if they go bad and leak that charge they tend to make that end of the car Sag. (I forget what magizine did the swap, but they had an EM2 with a Very saggy rear end (with eibach springs on it) they swaped out the bad oem dampers with Konis and the saggyness went away).

 
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Tokico HP struts with Eaibach springs i've had both the proline and sportline and love the sportlines most of all.

 
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Go With, The Eibach Pro-kit, I Had H&r Springs On Mine. They Ride Nice And Stif But Eibach Pro-kit Come Close To Stock Anyway (1") Drop.

 
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i got h and r with dspec tokicos. I luv em what a difference I luv the way they ride and the dspecs are adjustable. I got the springs and shocks from ed @truehonda for 900 bucks with a spc camber kit. If u are gonna lower your car do it right and spend the extra money on shocks and camber kit or get coilovers. My rear is a little lower in the back(no I don't have blown or leaking shocks) because of my subbox I thought but a guy I work with that has a fifthgen vic says all hondas are lower in back. This could be the case but I don't know for sure.

 
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Are OEM shocks gas charged?? So when we say the shocks are blown it means that there is a gas leak right? so how come they sometimes leak oil? and what exactly goes wrong when we say that shocks are blown??Does it have something to do with the freakin constriction valve??? lol thanks

 
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i asked my friend about the shocks and stuff, he said your car sagging has nothing to do with your shocks, it's the springs that cause the sag, H&R's are known to sag, even after the break in point, they seem to keep getting lower, another member on this forum said so himself. he's had H&R's for a year and a half, and it's lower than mine, and i've had mine for about half a year. so yea =|

 
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and I beg to differ..

http://hondatuningmagazine.com/tech/0205ht_suspension/

Springs + blown OEM dampers = saggy rear end
Springs + Koni's = no more saggy rear end.

(look at the description in Step 1 Vs the description in step 26)

 
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Yes the oem dampers are gas charged.

Ushually the seals blow, alowing both the gas and oil to leak = bad dampering. though some times you just beat the valving to death and they loose the abilty to properly dampen the springs.


BTW, Springs should easily out last the car....

 
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i have H&R and i love it. looks dropped and can go over speed bumps pretty easily. the ride was like stock untill shocks blew. Sportlines should be pretty much the same.... maybe lower? dont get pro-kit, it dont look dropped and would be a waste of money. i know someone who cut his pro-kit because we would make fun of his car being "dropped".

 
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thanks!

 
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I beg to differ because i never said my shocks were blown, if you read the article the stocks were ridden for 22k miles and blown and leaking. my springs have hardly been riden on for no more than 2k miles and my shocks AREN't blown and they ARE't leaking either, and like i said, H&R's are known to sag or to "continue" to drop lower

 
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oh and another thing Zzyzx, if you look at that whole Tech page, they also replaced the previous springs the car was on, with Eibach Pro Kit springs, that alone will obviously make the ride height to go up since the Pro Kit drop height is very minimal, you should read properly before trying to use evidence against someone thank you

 
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Lol, Believe what you want to believe, I dont really care. its your car, your problem. not mine. If you want to believe that H&R would sell a product thats "known to sag" go for it (Let me guess, all the people complaining about the product saggin are on OEM dampers right?) If you want to believe that the OEM dampers were any good to begin with, go for it (Considering that the OEM dampers have been known to be bad, and do blow even with the OEM springs... I've seen it my self) If you want to believe that gas charged dampers dont influence ride height thats your porogitve too.. (even though they have been known to actually increase a cars ride height slightly when installed). Go ahead, believe what you want, like I said.. Its not my problem.

 
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well i dont know.. i even asked robbclark1 about it and he said that shocks don't affect ride height, and that they only damper... sooooo yea and i never said it was your problem but you so got owned about the site you posted to try to prove me wrong, you didnt even look at that site correctly. sooo yea peace out

 
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Wow...Way off topic..

 
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H&R sports sag in the rear with tokico HP blues. Its the springs not the shocks. I have this setup.

 
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zzyzx got pwned once again

 
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I am very impressed with the looks and ride of my Pro-kit/ Koni set-up. It handles great, looks agressive and is not bumpy at all.

 
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De-gassing shocks is a known trick for stock autox guys to get their cars marginally lower then oem ride-height, but the article you posted claims a full 2" difference. There is no freaking way. They must have left the e-brake on when they lowered the car.

I've spoken with guys from Koni and the de-gassing trick can maybe get you 1/4"...1/2" if you're extremely lucky. 2" though? No way. Springs *still* hold up the car and it is a coilover setup in the rear. You could put a completely fluid drained shock on the back and you won't see a full 2".

 
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When I blew my oem strut in the front it did not drop any it just handeled like *** and vibrated badly. Now my car had to resettle after installing the hp's on my 2 month old h&r's but it did go right back down to where it was with oems(struts).