No B-series mount kit from Hasport
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No B-series mount kit from Hasport
Hasport has decided to not build a B-series mount kit for the 2001 up Civic.
In order to make a quality mount kit that resulted in a clean properly working B-series engine install we have determined that it would be prohibitively expensive. The kit would be our most expensive kit by almost double.
Instead we will be focusing on the K24 mount kit. The 03 up Accords engines are actualy less expensive than OBD2 B-series engines and will not cause problems with federal emissions laws.
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In order to make a quality mount kit that resulted in a clean properly working B-series engine install we have determined that it would be prohibitively expensive. The kit would be our most expensive kit by almost double.
Instead we will be focusing on the K24 mount kit. The 03 up Accords engines are actualy less expensive than OBD2 B-series engines and will not cause problems with federal emissions laws.
Brian Gillespie
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Hasport Performance, Inc.
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Rep Power: 374 Yeah, the B-series would be pointless to swap in a 7thgen. Mostly cause to make it legal you would have to have a 01 and swap a B18C or B18C5 from a 2001.
I thougght you said that the CRV K24 motor was better than the Accord K24? Cause you can get the CRV K24 motors for about a grand.
Any Idea when the K24 Mount kit will be out? I plan on buying another 7thgen for a project and the K24 Swap is what i'm looking at.
I thougght you said that the CRV K24 motor was better than the Accord K24? Cause you can get the CRV K24 motors for about a grand.
Any Idea when the K24 Mount kit will be out? I plan on buying another 7thgen for a project and the K24 Swap is what i'm looking at.
k24 works for me!
still rather have the k20a though ... cheaper than getting k24 block, k20a2 head, ecu (which one??), blah blah blah ... info about that swap isn't around many places yet ... in my opinion.
crv k24 is 160 hp ... I think the accord/tsx k24 is 200 hp
still rather have the k20a though ... cheaper than getting k24 block, k20a2 head, ecu (which one??), blah blah blah ... info about that swap isn't around many places yet ... in my opinion.
crv k24 is 160 hp ... I think the accord/tsx k24 is 200 hp
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Rep Power: 374 The Accord K24 motor is 160hp just like the CRV K24. But I think that the CRV K24 motor has more tq. The TSX K24 motor is 200hp and it has like 175tq. But that motor is expensive. So I wouldn't bother with it.
I have seen a K24 motor from the CRV matted with a K20A3 Tranny and ECU make 170whp and 155wtq. That was just with CAI, Short hearder with aftermarket downpipe/No Cat, and Exhaust. If you change the header to a DCRH and get Hondata ECU reflash I don't see why you couldn't make 185-190whp and 170wtq. Just with bolt ons and an ECU reflash. The K24 motor can make lots of power. The onyl thing that I would be worried about it if the Bottom end could hold the higher revs the Hondata would give it. I see it being on with a SI ECU and a redline at 7900, but I dont' see the block hold up with a A2 head, A2 ECU with Hondata, and a 8600 RPM Redline. Don't know though.
Or you could just get the K24 motor, A3 ECU and Tranny, and slap a K20A3 Greddy Turbo Kit on it.
I have seen a K24 motor from the CRV matted with a K20A3 Tranny and ECU make 170whp and 155wtq. That was just with CAI, Short hearder with aftermarket downpipe/No Cat, and Exhaust. If you change the header to a DCRH and get Hondata ECU reflash I don't see why you couldn't make 185-190whp and 170wtq. Just with bolt ons and an ECU reflash. The K24 motor can make lots of power. The onyl thing that I would be worried about it if the Bottom end could hold the higher revs the Hondata would give it. I see it being on with a SI ECU and a redline at 7900, but I dont' see the block hold up with a A2 head, A2 ECU with Hondata, and a 8600 RPM Redline. Don't know though.
Or you could just get the K24 motor, A3 ECU and Tranny, and slap a K20A3 Greddy Turbo Kit on it.
in my opinion, higher revving torque machine >>> much lower revving bigger torque machine
although probably in a year or less (after I've much long already completed my swap), Hondata will come out with a k24/k20 hybrid reflash and have it make like 220 whp, 170 torque with i/h/e ... then I'll be stuck in a rut. ;(
waiting sucks >:c
wow! 175 torque 200 hp? ...
although probably in a year or less (after I've much long already completed my swap), Hondata will come out with a k24/k20 hybrid reflash and have it make like 220 whp, 170 torque with i/h/e ... then I'll be stuck in a rut. ;(
waiting sucks >:c
wow! 175 torque 200 hp? ...
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Originally Posted by Jodster
The Accord K24 motor is 160hp just like the CRV K24. But I think that the CRV K24 motor has more tq. The TSX K24 motor is 200hp and it has like 175tq. But that motor is expensive. So I wouldn't bother with it.
I have seen a K24 motor from the CRV matted with a K20A3 Tranny and ECU make 170whp and 155wtq. That was just with CAI, Short hearder with aftermarket downpipe/No Cat, and Exhaust. If you change the header to a DCRH and get Hondata ECU reflash I don't see why you couldn't make 185-190whp and 170wtq. Just with bolt ons and an ECU reflash. The K24 motor can make lots of power. The onyl thing that I would be worried about it if the Bottom end could hold the higher revs the Hondata would give it. I see it being on with a SI ECU and a redline at 7900, but I dont' see the block hold up with a A2 head, A2 ECU with Hondata, and a 8600 RPM Redline. Don't know though.
Or you could just get the K24 motor, A3 ECU and Tranny, and slap a K20A3 Greddy Turbo Kit on it.
I have seen a K24 motor from the CRV matted with a K20A3 Tranny and ECU make 170whp and 155wtq. That was just with CAI, Short hearder with aftermarket downpipe/No Cat, and Exhaust. If you change the header to a DCRH and get Hondata ECU reflash I don't see why you couldn't make 185-190whp and 170wtq. Just with bolt ons and an ECU reflash. The K24 motor can make lots of power. The onyl thing that I would be worried about it if the Bottom end could hold the higher revs the Hondata would give it. I see it being on with a SI ECU and a redline at 7900, but I dont' see the block hold up with a A2 head, A2 ECU with Hondata, and a 8600 RPM Redline. Don't know though.
Or you could just get the K24 motor, A3 ECU and Tranny, and slap a K20A3 Greddy Turbo Kit on it.
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Originally Posted by HyaBoosta
yeah but does the k24 have aftermarket support already?
ohh ... just checked ...
crv k24: 160 hp/162 tq
tsx k24: 200 hp/166 tq ... not enough to justify for a k20a's 220/152. Giving up 1500 revs, 20 hp but only adding 14 tq? =\ ... plus the name ... >;D ... according to Edmunds, the max HP rev is at 6k rpms ... so I'm sure the redline will be not much after that .. maybe 6400 or so. I think the Si ecu would break it
afaik, the k24 has NO aftermarket. But I'm sure that will change soon
k20a/a2 head won't do much since the engine will not be able to rev that high ... I guess kinda like putting a 3 inch exhaust on a stock motor ...
crv k24: 160 hp/162 tq
tsx k24: 200 hp/166 tq ... not enough to justify for a k20a's 220/152. Giving up 1500 revs, 20 hp but only adding 14 tq? =\ ... plus the name ... >;D ... according to Edmunds, the max HP rev is at 6k rpms ... so I'm sure the redline will be not much after that .. maybe 6400 or so. I think the Si ecu would break it
afaik, the k24 has NO aftermarket. But I'm sure that will change soon
k20a/a2 head won't do much since the engine will not be able to rev that high ... I guess kinda like putting a 3 inch exhaust on a stock motor ...
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Originally Posted by aznboysrfr
ohh ... just checked ...
crv k24: 160 hp/162 tq
tsx k24: 200 hp/166 tq ... not enough to justify for a k20a's 220/152. Giving up 1500 revs, 20 hp but only adding 14 tq? =\ ... plus the name ... >;D ... according to Edmunds, the max HP rev is at 6k rpms ... so I'm sure the redline will be not much after that .. maybe 6400 or so. I think the Si ecu would break it
afaik, the k24 has NO aftermarket. But I'm sure that will change soon
k20a/a2 head won't do much since the engine will not be able to rev that high ... I guess kinda like putting a 3 inch exhaust on a stock motor ...
crv k24: 160 hp/162 tq
tsx k24: 200 hp/166 tq ... not enough to justify for a k20a's 220/152. Giving up 1500 revs, 20 hp but only adding 14 tq? =\ ... plus the name ... >;D ... according to Edmunds, the max HP rev is at 6k rpms ... so I'm sure the redline will be not much after that .. maybe 6400 or so. I think the Si ecu would break it
afaik, the k24 has NO aftermarket. But I'm sure that will change soon
k20a/a2 head won't do much since the engine will not be able to rev that high ... I guess kinda like putting a 3 inch exhaust on a stock motor ...
Nice find!
again...I think the K24 block and TypeR head is the best combo that will be available...
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Rep Power: 374 The Reline on the TSX is like 7200. The CRV is 6800 like the SI. So using the SI ECU is fine.
To use the K20A(ITR) Head on the K24 block you will have to use the K20A(ITR) ECU also. 8600 rpm redline is going to really mess up that block. It might only last about 10K miles. If you are going to go that route, get some custom Pistons and Rods made for the K24 to up the compression and hold the high revs.
The K24 motor has a compression of 9.7:1 and the K20A(ITR) has a compression of 11.5:1. So with just the K20A head on the K24 motor you would make about 20 more whp with bolt ons. But the block won't last long. If you get some stronger pistons and rods you should be about to make well over 200whp. Maybe even 250whp. Maybe.
To use the K20A(ITR) Head on the K24 block you will have to use the K20A(ITR) ECU also. 8600 rpm redline is going to really mess up that block. It might only last about 10K miles. If you are going to go that route, get some custom Pistons and Rods made for the K24 to up the compression and hold the high revs.
The K24 motor has a compression of 9.7:1 and the K20A(ITR) has a compression of 11.5:1. So with just the K20A head on the K24 motor you would make about 20 more whp with bolt ons. But the block won't last long. If you get some stronger pistons and rods you should be about to make well over 200whp. Maybe even 250whp. Maybe.
200 whp on the tsx block would be EASY as ****. k20a dynos show 215+ whp/150wtq with i/h/e
or you could just p&p the k24 head
or you could just p&p the k24 head
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Rep Power: 0 Several companies are working hard to come out with K24 products so that you won't ned to switch heads. I predict that you will be able to get 200whp with intake, intake manifold, header, ecu and cams within 6 months.
We swapped a K24A4 in an EG a couple months ago and made 165hp and about 157tq at the wheels with header, short ram intake and K-pro. That will be available as a reflash from Hasport too.
I'm reassembling my 01 Civic with a stock K24 and either a turbo or JRSC (or both, one at a time) to get some performance numbers out there.
The mount kit will be available by the end of summer for K24 bolted to a K20 tranny. We are starting work on the tranny mount for the Accord/TSX tranny too.
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We swapped a K24A4 in an EG a couple months ago and made 165hp and about 157tq at the wheels with header, short ram intake and K-pro. That will be available as a reflash from Hasport too.
I'm reassembling my 01 Civic with a stock K24 and either a turbo or JRSC (or both, one at a time) to get some performance numbers out there.
The mount kit will be available by the end of summer for K24 bolted to a K20 tranny. We are starting work on the tranny mount for the Accord/TSX tranny too.
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Rep Power: 312 Man, all of this work....Its not bad - BUT.....looking at the car market, I don't know if doing a swap really makes a whole lot of sense at the moment.
Mazda are going to release their 3 series with 160HP, starting around $15,000. Other companies are following suit. Looking at the demand for such a weak car (civic non SI) - it only makes sense for Honda to bump up the power in the base model, by dropping the K20 in. That would give the civic the boost it needs, and probably increase sales. I predict that honda is sensing this, and will eventually drop the D17 for the K20.
From a buisness standpoint it also makes a lot of sense. If you look at how many of honda's new vehicles use the K20, they could save a lot of money (production / tooling costs) by dropping the D17 altogether - and only produce the K20 and its variants (k24).
I don't know, I think instead of dropping $10,000 into a swap than adding all of those accessories (intake, header, turbo, etc) that it will just end up costing more rather than just waiting for the K20'ed civic, which would have a price point of other economy cars (around $15,000)....
Mazda are going to release their 3 series with 160HP, starting around $15,000. Other companies are following suit. Looking at the demand for such a weak car (civic non SI) - it only makes sense for Honda to bump up the power in the base model, by dropping the K20 in. That would give the civic the boost it needs, and probably increase sales. I predict that honda is sensing this, and will eventually drop the D17 for the K20.
From a buisness standpoint it also makes a lot of sense. If you look at how many of honda's new vehicles use the K20, they could save a lot of money (production / tooling costs) by dropping the D17 altogether - and only produce the K20 and its variants (k24).
I don't know, I think instead of dropping $10,000 into a swap than adding all of those accessories (intake, header, turbo, etc) that it will just end up costing more rather than just waiting for the K20'ed civic, which would have a price point of other economy cars (around $15,000)....
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Originally Posted by opto_isolator
Man, all of this work....Its not bad - BUT.....looking at the car market, I don't know if doing a swap really makes a whole lot of sense at the moment.
Mazda are going to release their 3 series with 160HP, starting around $15,000. Other companies are following suit. Looking at the demand for such a weak car (civic non SI) - it only makes sense for Honda to bump up the power in the base model, by dropping the K20 in. That would give the civic the boost it needs, and probably increase sales. I predict that honda is sensing this, and will eventually drop the D17 for the K20.
From a buisness standpoint it also makes a lot of sense. If you look at how many of honda's new vehicles use the K20, they could save a lot of money (production / tooling costs) by dropping the D17 altogether - and only produce the K20 and its variants (k24).
I don't know, I think instead of dropping $10,000 into a swap than adding all of those accessories (intake, header, turbo, etc) that it will just end up costing more rather than just waiting for the K20'ed civic, which would have a price point of other economy cars (around $15,000)....
Mazda are going to release their 3 series with 160HP, starting around $15,000. Other companies are following suit. Looking at the demand for such a weak car (civic non SI) - it only makes sense for Honda to bump up the power in the base model, by dropping the K20 in. That would give the civic the boost it needs, and probably increase sales. I predict that honda is sensing this, and will eventually drop the D17 for the K20.
From a buisness standpoint it also makes a lot of sense. If you look at how many of honda's new vehicles use the K20, they could save a lot of money (production / tooling costs) by dropping the D17 altogether - and only produce the K20 and its variants (k24).
I don't know, I think instead of dropping $10,000 into a swap than adding all of those accessories (intake, header, turbo, etc) that it will just end up costing more rather than just waiting for the K20'ed civic, which would have a price point of other economy cars (around $15,000)....
d series seems to be the dying series, no pun intended
the k20 is not nearly as fuel efficient as the d series though ... so I don't think they'll completely drop the d series until they drop the civic platform ... broadening to k20 coupes is very possible though
hya: less money, more work... more potential problems if you're not careful ;P
sometimes the car market makes me wonder ... when is the limit to increasing more and more HP on cars? ... I mean, 30 years in the future, they can't make a 400 hp factory focus or civic, u know?
the k20 is not nearly as fuel efficient as the d series though ... so I don't think they'll completely drop the d series until they drop the civic platform ... broadening to k20 coupes is very possible though
hya: less money, more work... more potential problems if you're not careful ;P
sometimes the car market makes me wonder ... when is the limit to increasing more and more HP on cars? ... I mean, 30 years in the future, they can't make a 400 hp factory focus or civic, u know?
Yeah but the whole reason that the civic demand is so high is because of affordability and low insurance cost. im sure if they use the k20, insure will go up on that year and price will as well. so it will no longer be the econo seller. scion is selling tons of cars cause they are lowering their price so much. scions have next to no HP but they sell cause of style and price.
Very interesting!!! http://www.ivtecdaily.com/rsx/articl...ages/Page2.jpg
Goto that link and you will see that the only motor with the tradition VTEC is the k24a2/TSX motor. The other k24 motors have the weak-tec found in the Civic Si and RSX.
Goto that link and you will see that the only motor with the tradition VTEC is the k24a2/TSX motor. The other k24 motors have the weak-tec found in the Civic Si and RSX.
well, in my opin, I dunno why you would get frankie k24 boost ... whether you build a b18 boost or k24 boost, you're still not gonna get much traction after you have 400-500+ whp ...
n/a is a different story though ...
n/a is a different story though ...
Yeah but im sure that 350hp on drag radials wil do just fine. I just need an enigne that will hold that much boost comftably without puttin a whole in the block or shootin a piston thru my hood
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Anyway, if i'm not mistaken, Opto....the Civic Si will return to a coupe soon. So there's ur k20. Whether they will drop the d17 completely.....i dunno.
Anyway, if i'm not mistaken, Opto....the Civic Si will return to a coupe soon. So there's ur k20. Whether they will drop the d17 completely.....i dunno.
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Originally Posted by HyaBoosta
Yeah im sure the si coupe is gonna be hot, but my next can will without a doubt be an evo
