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Old Jun 11, 2004
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Question Venom 400

Was wondering if anyone has installed a Venom 400 PCM, model v21-160? I am considering one, the only info I have is what the manufacturer says about it. I'd like to know how my 02 lx would respond to it with my AEM CAI and custom fabbed OBX header and exhaust system. Anyone? Thanks.
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I have it but I just sold it, but for 6 months or so it has been great I think, good throttle response like said and more power in the mid range--
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Pls get one and post a review. Haven't seen much about Venom 400 here in a while, and I'm thinking either that or SAFC II.
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i just got one, i'll let you guys know my opinion on it next week.
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I had the venom chip for a year now and I love it. U can feel it kick in when it is on.
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all the venom module does is adjust your fuel map to make it more agressive and advance the timing a bit (which is bad if you have a turbo)... its like a "one size fits all" chip... its venom's best guess at how your fuel maps would need to be with very light mods... it works well enough if you don't want to mess with tuning and only have light mods... and there's a nifty on/off switch so that you can turn it off for daily driving, and on for more spirited driving...

but for a more serious tuner, i'd recommend the SAFC over the venom module because the SAFC can be dynotuned and adjusted to your specific car...

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I don't like it. Just fools the computer into thinking there's more air and adds more fuel or something. It only hooks into a couple sensors. Get the vafcII or SAFCII.
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Old Jun 12, 2004
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Have considered getting this. I will wait to see what Cocky thinks about it.
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Originally Posted by gearbox
I don't like it. Just fools the computer into thinking there's more air and adds more fuel or something. It only hooks into a couple sensors. Get the vafcII or SAFCII.
Someone told me once that the VAFCII won't work on my Civic because it is a 03 and they are not compatible with the VTEC Controller. Is that true?
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Originally Posted by Eeeeeeh
Someone told me once that the VAFCII won't work on my Civic because it is a 03 and they are not compatible with the VTEC Controller. Is that true?
no, false.
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there are several threads on here about how to hook up the VAFC to our engines allow the VTEC manipulation to work. IMO i would go with the more serious tuning option. SAFC or VAFC
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My problem is that there is no dyno available on Guam to tune with SAFC. Is there a way to tune without a dyno?
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Originally Posted by Zachgeyer
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I tried, and found nothing, spent over an hour trying, give me a link oldbie! Thanks!
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To tune or not to tune

Originally Posted by obguam
My problem is that there is no dyno available on Guam to tune with SAFC. Is there a way to tune without a dyno?
I too am curiuos about this, I don't have the cash to dynotune a SAFCII, unless one of you wants to help me out for free in the chicago area.... Anyone got an answer? Thanks!
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Originally Posted by lyk2luze
I too am curiuos about this, I don't have the cash to dynotune a SAFCII, unless one of you wants to help me out for free in the chicago area.... Anyone got an answer? Thanks!
It sounds like you would benefit more from the Venom Module based on your cash position. If you want the s-afc I suggest saving until you are ready to have it tuned properly. What modifications have you done to your car? IMO if you are stock then don't make the s-afc your first purchase.
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i just got one, i'll let you guys know my opinion on it next week.
you wouldn't be by any chance the one who just bought it off ebay a short while ago would ya???
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so, what do you think COcky?
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stuf on my car

Originally Posted by StreetLevelPerformance
It sounds like you would benefit more from the Venom Module based on your cash position. If you want the s-afc I suggest saving until you are ready to have it tuned properly. What modifications have you done to your car? IMO if you are stock then don't make the s-afc your first purchase.
I have a modified AEM intake routed into the fender well like Injen's by using a 3" aluminum elbow pc. to an apexi dual funnel filter, a bored over throttle body to 58 mm, a modified for extra hp collector on an OBX header w/ Caspers O2 sim to a custom 2 1/2'" 304 SS exhaust and OBX muffler, all 3 light weight pulleys, ground wire kit, and an adjustable cam gear, a 50 shot of N2O very soon, oh yeah and a revo ss kit.
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Originally Posted by lyk2luze
I have a modified AEM intake routed into the fender well like Injen's by using a 3" aluminum elbow pc. to an apexi dual funnel filter, a bored over throttle body to 58 mm, a modified for extra hp collector on an OBX header w/ Caspers O2 sim to a custom 2 1/2'" 304 SS exhaust and OBX muffler, all 3 light weight pulleys, ground wire kit, and an adjustable cam gear, a 50 shot of N2O very soon, oh yeah and a revo ss kit.
Okay??? What the hell is all that supposed to mean?
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I heard that the long term effects of the 400 arent good. the 400 basically takes an industry wide map and plants that onto ur ecu. its kinda shady.
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Okay??? What the hell is all that supposed to mean?
I think the things you are questioning are the intake and header correct? Maybe the pulleys and cam gear? I don't know, I'll try my best.

Basically I took an AEM intake and OBX header and made them better. Collectors (where 4 primary pipes come together to make one pipe) on headers are a BIG deal in the V-8 world, I took the same technology of the best headers for V-8's and applied it to my OBX by cuting off the existing one and I welded on a new and improved collector. The intake I routed into the fender well, where air is the coldest, with a larger than AEM pipe to pull in more air mass and to increase velocity of the air upon entering the AEM piece and engine and put the undisputedly best filter made in the world on the end. AEM makes lightweight underdrive pulleys for the A/C condensor and the alternator, I have them and a lightweight pulley from RVM on the crank, together they free up more 8 hp to the wheels (as told to me by someone else with the same setup on his car that he had dynoed before and after), unorthodox has a set of all three that make 10 to the wheels. AEM also makes adjustable cam gears to advance or retard timing. -2 degrees makes a noticeable differance on our cars, especially after adding a header. All over 7thgencivic.com people talk about the REVO short shifter so I doubt you are asking about that. Overbored throttle body, 55mm is stock, any larger than 58mm and you lose torque unless you are running a turbo. I bored mine to 58 and made a new butterfly (thingy that opens and closes to let air into the engine). It made a noticeable differance. Ground wire kit is in the DIY pages. Hope that answers your question.

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Given what you've accomplished so far, seems to me you'd be better off getting the SAFC II and then finding a tuning solution. BTW, where did you buy the apexi dual funnel filter, cam gear and pulleys. Any pics of these mods? Thanks.
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Originally Posted by obguam
Given what you've accomplished so far, seems to me you'd be better off getting the SAFC II and then finding a tuning solution. BTW, where did you buy the apexi dual funnel filter, cam gear and pulleys. Any pics of these mods? Thanks.
AJ-USA.com for the filter, you'll have to make and weld a custom flange on the end of your intake pipe as it can only bolt onto a flange. Pulleys and cam were won off ebay, there is usually a distributer that has an auction going for them all the time. I have no digital camera or scanner so no pics, yet. Hopefully this will change soon. Yeah, I am thinking about going with the SAFCII, it's just I want to do all my mods with my own two hands and I don't know enough in this area to feel confident yet. I will likely get the SAFCII and leave the settings alone until I can find out more about tuning it while saving some more cash to hit a dyno for a few hours. Thanks all, I have a much better understanding of this site now and how to search for information and this info helped me make a decision.
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I have an LX (no v-tech) what computer is best for my car, I may in the next year drop a turbo, but I am not sure....with this in mind what do you recomend?
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yes.. got it on ebay. my friend actually won the bid for me.. superfrankie. i'll tell you Saturday how it works. i won't have it until then..
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haha.. thanks duuuude. don't worry.. i'm buying you some CF for your birthday.
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Ya happy birthday Cocky, I'm sending your present to Frankie---lol -- it shipped on Wednesday and will get there on Friday, Thanks for waiting Frankie, kinda wish I didn't sel it cause I feel it now, bit I hope to get a VAFC II anyhoo so- happy birthday from Colorado----Stevo
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lol thanks man ....most expensive damn present i have ever bought anyone lol



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haha.. thanks duuuude. don't worry.. i'm buying you some CF for your birthday.
**** you dude you know i hate c/f *******
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