Best For Gains?
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Best For Gains?
I was wondering...
What is the best CAI for HP gains?
Exhuast?
Headers?
and How MUCH are the gains?
And What about ground wires or somthing like that .... little things that give you gains as well
What is the best CAI for HP gains?
Exhuast?
Headers?
and How MUCH are the gains?
And What about ground wires or somthing like that .... little things that give you gains as well
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Nothing except forced induction. For the past year I have waisted money on I/E/H and have probably only gained torque. Ask anyone who has put their car on a dyno after spending alot of cash on I/E/H and they will tell you the same. These cars are ULEV and are not mod friendly. The only real hp gains with proven dyno results are turbo and nos.
Dont be fooled ads say:
Greddy exhaust=15hp
Cold Air intake=10
Headers=15
Pullys=10
Wow my civic ex has 127hp + 50hp(bolt ons) = 177hp. tTat will smoke an SI w/160hp
Wrong you will have a civic that will only put about 115hp to the ground.
Save your money up for a turbo.
Dont be fooled ads say:
Greddy exhaust=15hp
Cold Air intake=10
Headers=15
Pullys=10
Wow my civic ex has 127hp + 50hp(bolt ons) = 177hp. tTat will smoke an SI w/160hp
Wrong you will have a civic that will only put about 115hp to the ground.
Save your money up for a turbo.
Skyline R33
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Originally posted by guns
Nothing except forced induction. For the past year I have waisted money on I/E/H and have probably only gained torque. Ask anyone who has put their car on a dyno after spending alot of cash on I/E/H and they will tell you the same. These cars are ULEV and are not mod friendly. The only real hp gains with proven dyno results are turbo and nos.
Dont be fooled ads say:
Greddy exhaust=15hp
Cold Air intake=10
Headers=15
Pullys=10
Wow my civic ex has 127hp + 50hp(bolt ons) = 177hp. tTat will smoke an SI w/160hp
Wrong you will have a civic that will only put about 115hp to the ground.
Save your money up for a turbo.
Nothing except forced induction. For the past year I have waisted money on I/E/H and have probably only gained torque. Ask anyone who has put their car on a dyno after spending alot of cash on I/E/H and they will tell you the same. These cars are ULEV and are not mod friendly. The only real hp gains with proven dyno results are turbo and nos.
Dont be fooled ads say:
Greddy exhaust=15hp
Cold Air intake=10
Headers=15
Pullys=10
Wow my civic ex has 127hp + 50hp(bolt ons) = 177hp. tTat will smoke an SI w/160hp
Wrong you will have a civic that will only put about 115hp to the ground.
Save your money up for a turbo.
Greddy exhaust=15hp
Cold Air intake=10
Headers=15
Pullys=10
Ground wire kit=4
Denso k22 spark plugs=4
Tb heater bypass=2
Air intake sensor mod w/ resister to adv timing=5hp
Stickers=1hp
High flow cat=10
Wow I should be up to about 200hp right? Why even turbo or engine swap
Wrong still dyno'd at about 115hp.
Im not ignorant.
AEM V2 Intake = 12 to the wheels on a DX/LX
this works good with header and cat back if you have a DX/LX
EX doesn't get good gains off the whole intake header exhaust because their header is already 4-1 and their exhaust is already 2 1/4 inches, but when you have a DX like me with a little dinky 4-2-1 stock header and a 1 3/4 inch exhaust, you get some good gains off it. I bought the V2, an OBX 4-1 header, and Thermal R&D catback.
Also, buy the DH Racing crank pulley, it gives 10-15 to the wheels. I am waiting to have it installed.
Hope this helps.
AEM V2 Intake = 12 to the wheels on a DX/LX
this works good with header and cat back if you have a DX/LX
EX doesn't get good gains off the whole intake header exhaust because their header is already 4-1 and their exhaust is already 2 1/4 inches, but when you have a DX like me with a little dinky 4-2-1 stock header and a 1 3/4 inch exhaust, you get some good gains off it. I bought the V2, an OBX 4-1 header, and Thermal R&D catback.
Also, buy the DH Racing crank pulley, it gives 10-15 to the wheels. I am waiting to have it installed.
Hope this helps.
Alot of people say that your waisting your money on intake and headers... thats bull! I've put an AEM ram air, Arospeed header, and magnaflow catback and i can beat an Si with intake and exhaust! And mine was an HX. Sure if you want ALOT of hp get a turbo and nos. But in the mean time... i'll waste my money on these simple things... so when i do get a turbo... i'll still blow you away!!!
Originally posted by anotherlevel
Im not ignorant.
AEM V2 Intake = 12 to the wheels on a DX/LX
this works good with header and cat back if you have a DX/LX
Im not ignorant.
AEM V2 Intake = 12 to the wheels on a DX/LX
this works good with header and cat back if you have a DX/LX
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Rep Power: 0 Originally posted by TypeRCivicBoi19
Alot of people say that your waisting your money on intake and headers... thats bull! I've put an AEM ram air, Arospeed header, and magnaflow catback and i can beat an Si with intake and exhaust! And mine was an HX. Sure if you want ALOT of hp get a turbo and nos. But in the mean time... i'll waste my money on these simple things... so when i do get a turbo... i'll still blow you away!!!
Alot of people say that your waisting your money on intake and headers... thats bull! I've put an AEM ram air, Arospeed header, and magnaflow catback and i can beat an Si with intake and exhaust! And mine was an HX. Sure if you want ALOT of hp get a turbo and nos. But in the mean time... i'll waste my money on these simple things... so when i do get a turbo... i'll still blow you away!!!
Originally posted by Zachgeyer
NOS is allmost a much as cat back .and your geting 100Hp min Get NOS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
NOS is allmost a much as cat back .and your geting 100Hp min Get NOS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
try 50-75
Originally posted by guns
I have to call bull **** on that. Have you put your car on a dyno? I have! Dont make people believe that bolt ons will make you gain a lot of horse power. Look around how many dyno slips do you see. I waisted alot of money on bolt ons. I am giving solid advise. If bolt ons are so good why are there turbo 7thgens running 6 lbs of boost w/ only 200 hp. Believe all you want in your bolt ons. But I will bet you the cost of your dyno run that you dont even put 127hp(the honda listed stock ex) to the ground. Dont try and say 20% lost to the ground do to ac/alt, etc. If you are beating si w/ bolt ons then you are trying to day you make more than 160hp. Thats bullshit. Post some numbers I bet you run 16's at best.
I have to call bull **** on that. Have you put your car on a dyno? I have! Dont make people believe that bolt ons will make you gain a lot of horse power. Look around how many dyno slips do you see. I waisted alot of money on bolt ons. I am giving solid advise. If bolt ons are so good why are there turbo 7thgens running 6 lbs of boost w/ only 200 hp. Believe all you want in your bolt ons. But I will bet you the cost of your dyno run that you dont even put 127hp(the honda listed stock ex) to the ground. Dont try and say 20% lost to the ground do to ac/alt, etc. If you are beating si w/ bolt ons then you are trying to day you make more than 160hp. Thats bullshit. Post some numbers I bet you run 16's at best.
unless hes talking about a 1989 si
Skyline R33
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Rep Power: 0 Before anyone else replies w/ I beat a ______. I posted facts. Advertisers tell you have much hp proven gains on a dyno for their bolt ons. I am telling you after spending a lot of money and three runs on a dyno, save your money. All those who dont agree go put your car on a dyno and I will put up the money to bet you dont even come close to the advertised gains.
Put up numbers or shut up..
Piece I'm out.
Put up numbers or shut up..
Piece I'm out.
Originally posted by Eeeeeeh
Well you guys just exagerate!! There is no possible way that you will not get a single hp from I/E. You pay for what you get, PLAIN AND SIMPLE.
Well you guys just exagerate!! There is no possible way that you will not get a single hp from I/E. You pay for what you get, PLAIN AND SIMPLE.
Dyno's measure horsepower at the car's wheels.
with boltons on a d-17 your lucky if you get at the most 13-15 horses at the wheels.
in other words the
d17a2 stock -
-flywheel 127HP
-at the wheels 117
d17a2 bolt ons (i/h/e)
-flywheel 139HP (estimate)
-at the wheels 129HP (estimate)
^^why is that because of drivetrain loss. thats why. by the time the HP gets from the flywheel to the wheels you have lost about 10HP.
there are countless members that have dynoed their car only to be dissapointed with the numbers that their engine is putting out at the wheels with just bolt ons. Get Nitrous or a Turbo Kit.
Last edited by DistinctiveBP; Feb 19, 2004 at 06:32 PM.
Skyline R33
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Rep Power: 0 Originally posted by DistinctiveBP
honda rated the ex's engine at 127HP. what they neglected to tell you is that they measured this at the flywheel.
Dyno's measure horsepower at the car's wheels.
with boltons on a d-17 your lucky if you get at the most 13-15 horses at the wheels.
in other words the
d17a2 stock -
-flywheel 127HP
-at the wheels 117
d17a2 bolt ons (i/h/e)
-flywheel 139HP (estimate)
-at the wheels 129HP (estimate)
^^why is that because of drivetrain loss. thats why. by the time the HP gets from the flywheel to the wheels you have lost about 10HP.
there are countless members that have dynoed their car only to be dissapointed with the numbers that their engine is putting out at the wheels with just bolt ons. Get Nitrous or a Turbo Kit.
honda rated the ex's engine at 127HP. what they neglected to tell you is that they measured this at the flywheel.
Dyno's measure horsepower at the car's wheels.
with boltons on a d-17 your lucky if you get at the most 13-15 horses at the wheels.
in other words the
d17a2 stock -
-flywheel 127HP
-at the wheels 117
d17a2 bolt ons (i/h/e)
-flywheel 139HP (estimate)
-at the wheels 129HP (estimate)
^^why is that because of drivetrain loss. thats why. by the time the HP gets from the flywheel to the wheels you have lost about 10HP.
there are countless members that have dynoed their car only to be dissapointed with the numbers that their engine is putting out at the wheels with just bolt ons. Get Nitrous or a Turbo Kit.
To the guy who smoked an Si:
You have a sedan w/ a heavy sound system(2 12's). You are trying to say your heavy car(probably w/ spare tire) beat an Si. The driver of the Si must have had a bad clutch or four fat chicks in the back.
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Rep Power: 0 Originally posted by DistinctiveBP
honda rated the ex's engine at 127HP. what they neglected to tell you is that they measured this at the flywheel.
Dyno's measure horsepower at the car's wheels.
with boltons on a d-17 your lucky if you get at the most 13-15 horses at the wheels.
in other words the
d17a2 stock -
-flywheel 127HP
-at the wheels 117
d17a2 bolt ons (i/h/e)
-flywheel 139HP (estimate)
-at the wheels 129HP (estimate)
^^why is that because of drivetrain loss. thats why. by the time the HP gets from the flywheel to the wheels you have lost about 10HP.
there are countless members that have dynoed their car only to be dissapointed with the numbers that their engine is putting out at the wheels with just bolt ons. Get Nitrous or a Turbo Kit.
honda rated the ex's engine at 127HP. what they neglected to tell you is that they measured this at the flywheel.
Dyno's measure horsepower at the car's wheels.
with boltons on a d-17 your lucky if you get at the most 13-15 horses at the wheels.
in other words the
d17a2 stock -
-flywheel 127HP
-at the wheels 117
d17a2 bolt ons (i/h/e)
-flywheel 139HP (estimate)
-at the wheels 129HP (estimate)
^^why is that because of drivetrain loss. thats why. by the time the HP gets from the flywheel to the wheels you have lost about 10HP.
there are countless members that have dynoed their car only to be dissapointed with the numbers that their engine is putting out at the wheels with just bolt ons. Get Nitrous or a Turbo Kit.
Yes we know that hp is lost from the drivetrain through the wheel
I'm getting the Nitrous next, just give me some money for a turbo please
Originally posted by Eeeeeeh
So every single car manufacture neglects to tell you that the numbers are from the flywheel eh? LOL
Yes we know that hp is lost from the drivetrain through the wheel
I'm getting the Nitrous next, just give me some money for a turbo please
So every single car manufacture neglects to tell you that the numbers are from the flywheel eh? LOL
Yes we know that hp is lost from the drivetrain through the wheel
I'm getting the Nitrous next, just give me some money for a turbo please
Originally posted by guns
Thanks for backing me up.
To the guy who smoked an Si:
You have a sedan w/ a heavy sound system(2 12's). You are trying to say your heavy car(probably w/ spare tire) beat an Si. The driver of the Si must have had a bad clutch or four fat chicks in the back.
Thanks for backing me up.
To the guy who smoked an Si:
You have a sedan w/ a heavy sound system(2 12's). You are trying to say your heavy car(probably w/ spare tire) beat an Si. The driver of the Si must have had a bad clutch or four fat chicks in the back.
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well the civic ex wouldnt be so appealing if it was offered with a whopping 117 HP VTEC engine. car companies are all out for one thing $$$. and they make try to make their cars as appealing as possible so they take every advantage they can.
well the civic ex wouldnt be so appealing if it was offered with a whopping 117 HP VTEC engine. car companies are all out for one thing $$$. and they make try to make their cars as appealing as possible so they take every advantage they can.
My turbo kit should be in the air(hopefully) on its way. I will put it on the dyno and post the numbers after the install. the exhaust will let my tubo breath. Now I will hopefully get my moneys worth out of my pulleys, exhaust, race cat, etc.....
I will be selling my headers for $50 and my carbon fiber ram air intake locally for $75 if you want to try it out and not spend a lot of your money hit me up in Houston.
But I will tell you up front dont expect miracles and adding on I/H/E wont make you beat me with my turbo.
I wasn't trying to give any false info... just clearly stating that people say its a waste when its not. And people blab on about numbers... numbers don't mean sh*t when you get to the track...
And i have a coupe... not a sedan...
And it was an '99 Si... and it was running fine. I have many people that can vouch for me on that!
And i have a coupe... not a sedan...
And it was an '99 Si... and it was running fine. I have many people that can vouch for me on that!
Skyline R33
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... and while i'm at it... let me clear something up...
I beat this Si with about half a cars length. But i still beat it.
... and while i'm at it... let me clear something up...
I beat this Si with about half a cars length. But i still beat it.
Skyline R33
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Rep Power: 0 Did anyone see the Discovery channel wit the chick who got new engine and a **** load of free parts for her civic. All that put into her car and a dood with just a 75 shot of nos smoked her. It just proves you could put all the bolt ons you want but real hp is real hp not just advertised hp.
Originally posted by TypeRCivicBoi19
I wasn't trying to give any false info... just clearly stating that people say its a waste when its not. And people blab on about numbers... numbers don't mean sh*t when you get to the track...
And i have a coupe... not a sedan...
And it was an '99 Si... and it was running fine. I have many people that can vouch for me on that!
I wasn't trying to give any false info... just clearly stating that people say its a waste when its not. And people blab on about numbers... numbers don't mean sh*t when you get to the track...
And i have a coupe... not a sedan...
And it was an '99 Si... and it was running fine. I have many people that can vouch for me on that!
and i never said You were giving out false info.
Here is your V2 proof.
http://www.aempower.com/pdf/dyno/24-...%20LX%20DX.pdf
or find it yourself at aempower.com
http://www.aempower.com/pdf/dyno/24-...%20LX%20DX.pdf
or find it yourself at aempower.com
