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I hear it so much, of how previous civics were better. The horrible front MacPherson struts, the awful returnless fuel system, the detrimental ULEV. Econo-v-tec.

I have a question then, did 6thgens respond better to I/H/E mods? Meaning practically, can a 6thgen I/H/E totally kill a 7thgen with the same mods? Not talking about superchargers, turbos, or even NA tuning. Just basic performance parts. Does a I/H/E give like 150hp or something? Since I always stayed away from the import scene, I have no idea.

I've never really seen a fast 6thgen with bolt-ons, so somehow I doubt it though. I see just as many slow ricey 7thgens as I do 6thgens.

-Aki

 
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that is correct

 
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No, the D16 didn't respond any better to mods than the 7thgen's D17. A D17 7thgen is faster than the previous gen D16 civics. In fact, I've raced D16 civic with intake/exhaust from a roll or stop and pulled. So FWIW, the new civic is actually a bit faster.

 
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MacPherson struts arnt "horible" i can name several car companays that do very well with McPherson struts (BMW, Porsche, Mercedes, ECT....)

 
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This year Civic isent slower. Also the suspension is more advanced, and it does all this while remaining ULEV. Who ever said this year Civic sucked is a moron, Civics have always been like this. I think people need to stop refering as the 7th Gens are slow, I think Catalyst and SF have proven the potential of this D17. Personally I have never seen a D16 pull a 13.6 in the 1/4 under the same conditions that Catalyst posted. Either SF power are just turbo gods, or this year is really a good motor. Also, it occured to me that we have increased displacement, wouldnt have provide us with more power when turboing? It only makes sense that additional displacement plus extra crammed air would make more power than a smaller motor.

 
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That's what I was thinking. So why does the 7th gen have this rep of being mod-unfriendly??

I never meant to say McPherson's were horrible, just echoing the sentiment that so many people and magazines say (was meant to be sarcastic). I don't see why the McPherson's so bad. Porsche's do come to mind when I think of McPherson.

D series engines were never anything of a racing marvel. I can't understand why people lament about our D17 so much.

-Aki

 
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man.. even tho we have the same hp as the 1.6L d16's, we got MORE torque... probablly not by much.. but just enuff...

 
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I think people at first panned Honda for being cheap by switching to struts in the front instead of the 6th gen's wishbones, but experience has proven that the 7th gen doesn't handle any worse because of this change, and even some of the auto mags remarked on this when the 7th gen first was test driven. Also it always takes awhile for a redesign to be fully accepted, and for some reason, it is taking the 7th gen longer than usual to do this. Here we are going into the 4th model year, and it is still hard sometimes to find 7th gen parts. I don't know why it has taken so long for the 7th gen to be accepted, the sad fact is, by the time it is as accepted as the 6th gen was, it'll be gone, and the 8th gen will be here!

 
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its a Civic!!!! Hello, its a commuter car, not a sports car. Its not meant to be fast, if it was, it wouldn't be a Civic.

 
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When i was getting my car i test drove a 99 EX coupe and then my 02 LX sedan, and to tell the truth...the 7th gen is more comfortable, better steering, felt better accelerating than the 6th gen....IMO...but maybe cuz my car wasn't used. But still, I'm glad i got a 7th gen, I rather have more originality than availability

 
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A good part of the gripe about the new suspension is Honda attached the steering tie rods to the struts... which isn't very conventional. It's probably part of the reason it's taking so long to put out suspensions. Its odd right now, and new, so it takes some time for the companies to figure it out. Stuff is starting to surface... Give it a little more time.
The 7th gen is so much more roomier than the 6th its not even funny. I carpool to a work with a guy who has a 98 sedan, I hate getting into the back seat cuz its so tight. No one really complains in mine. I've seen D16 VTEC (dunno the whole code) Dynos with IHE and they're about 115 WHP. Of the few D17s I've seen, we're doing the same, if not a hair better.

 
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Well said...

 
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I would NEVER buy a Civic that isn't a 7thgen. I dislike the rest and will feel this way until I see an 8th gen or so on. I just think the 7thgens have a better attitude (kinda hard to explain). What I mean is that 7thgen owners tend to have much cleaner rides than 6thgen and older. Yes the previous Civics have been out longer, but those who bought a new 7thgen, or even slightly used, is no doubt making payments on it (most of us), this means they're keeping the car in good condition and more enjoyably to drive. That can include a better sound system, more power, or better cosmetics. 7thGen Forever.

 
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I agree..it seems 7thgen owners take more pride in their cars instead of looking for short cuts to make their cars rice rockets like most of the 6thgens i have seen..

 
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we have .1L more than the 6th gens so that says something. everyday i see some either souped up or riced out 6th gens. its always 6th gens too. so id say im more original than a lot of people in my town with my 7gc.

 
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We're also making more torque from turbos than the D16s.

 
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"A good part of the gripe about the new suspension is Honda attached the steering tie rods to the struts... which isn't very conventional. It's probably part of the reason it's taking so long to put out suspensions. Its odd right now, and new, so it takes some time for the companies to figure it out. Stuff is starting to surface... Give it a little more time.
The 7th gen is so much more roomier than the 6th its not even funny. I carpool to a work with a guy who has a 98 sedan, I hate getting into the back seat cuz its so tight. No one really complains in mine. I've seen D16 VTEC (dunno the whole code) Dynos with IHE and they're about 115 WHP. Of the few D17s I've seen, we're doing the same, if not a hair better."

You sure, I didnt like the way the new hondas looked so i bought a 6th gen hahahhaha. anyway, ive been in my friends 7th and it feels really tight, at least to me. But in my car i feel roomier......

hmmm maybe im just biased towards my car or the fact that i can bend my legs in any pose i want em to.

 
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Of course you are be biased and like yours more..thats why you bought the 6th gen not the 7th.

 
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i think the 6th gen are slower. Story...Driving home from work one day down 287 south in Jersey...i see this hatchback civic....he was in the middle lane i was in the left lane...as i'm pulling up next to him he guns it...i do the same do this for about 10 seconds...unless he was tring i was pulling away from him...all i can ee that he had was Excaust...this is my info...i think they are slower

 
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The one thing I don't understand is why people complain about the suspension of the 7th gen Civic and don't complain about the suspension of the Civic Si or the RSX. Hello! They're basically the same suspension!!!

 
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There are only two things that are a problem with the 7th gen.

One, the steering and front suspension are different and new. No, using struts is not new, but attaching the steering arm to them is. So there are not many options available right now. Soon, there will be many other replacement struts. So this whole issue will be gone soon enough.

The second is that the type of fuel system that is being used is not friendly towards increasing the power. To seriously add some power via forced induction, we have to convert the returnless system to a return type. Not impossible, but if you realize you would need to change to a higher flowing fuel pump anyway, you are not doing that much more.

 
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I'd be happier with my Civic if I could swap a B-series engine into it, like the 6th Gen.

 
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Yes our steering is much better. It was designed
to be just like the Porshe...car and driver touched on
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The suspension on our civics, despite the cheap struts I think are really good. I dunno, it seems like the 7thgen gets a bad rap for no reason.

Only a very small minority put turbos or do extensive tuning on their cars. For the most part it's just bolt on parts. Bolt-on parts never did much for civics. I don't know why people notice that only now.