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Old 09-30-2006
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Cant decide???????

OK well heres my plan i really want to hit 200 horsepower all motor i have a friend that owns a shop that build motor he says it is possible he will help me do it as long as i can provide a the parts. OK heres what i am thinking.


kms makes a head kit it does not come with the cam. I dont know where to get pistons for a 12:5:1 compression or rods any help. Also if i go turbo does anyone know where i can get a fast turbo like a t3?
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since you're in the N/A EM2 Crew, jsut get a a2 and put some bolt ons and a kpro and you're set
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Originally Posted by D5cIvIc
since you're in the N/A EM2 Crew, jsut get a a2 and put some bolt ons and a kpro and you're set


I can get a k24 for 900.00 motor and trand what u think? or a k20 for 1100.00?
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k24 block and k20 head
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swap it
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what renen said or just get an A2 like me and be done with it. More than enough speed
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Frankenstein it... Should give you over 200 right there. If you ever get ichy for more, just boost that.
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Frankenstein it... Should give you over 200 right there. If you ever get ichy for more, just boost that.


good idea who should i get the pistons from and rods????
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Originally Posted by Civicman1988
good idea who should i get the pistons from and rods????
Just stick with stock pistons and rods. A frankswap with a couple of boltons and Kpro will give you well over 200whp.
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Originally Posted by EMK20a2
Just stick with stock pistons and rods. A frankswap with a couple of boltons and Kpro will give you well over 200whp.
whats a frankswap?
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K24 block with K20 head?
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Originally Posted by AmbulanceMonkee
K24 block with K20 head?
ya i am going to ask the kid if i can get the k24 block adn k20 head? If not i am doing pistons in the D17 i want to be the first to hit 200 horsepower with it.
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Originally Posted by Sujak
k24a1 or a4... (i think a4 or is it a3) k20a2 head/oilpan and oil system. uhh and all that fun stuff...

N/A franks are putting out like 230whp... but ya gotta find someone who knows how to build it right..
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Swap is your only option. I have never seen a streetable all motor sohc make over 200whp.
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Originally Posted by civic01vtec
Swap is your only option. I have never seen a streetable all motor sohc make over 200whp.
you never know i could be the first
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Originally Posted by Civicman1988
you never know i could be the first
I really doubt it, honestly I think the most that could be made with a daily driveable D17 is MAYBE 160whp. To get 200 whp out of a D17 you would have to bore it out to a 2.0, run insane cams, and such a crazy high compression you would be forced to use race gas. Doing this you would never be able to daily drive it and you still may not see 200whp. Also such a build is going to cost around the same amount as a swap.

However I do think that it would be fun to buy an old D17 and have it built to see how much power you could make. You could just pull your engine after the build is done, and set it aside for when you had to rebuild the built motor. I do happen to have a D17 laying around that I would let go for cheap
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just how cheap emk20a2?
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just how cheap emk20a2?


how much?
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$350 + shipping it is basically the block and the head, no tranny, PS, AC, etc. It was over reved and I think it may have a bent valve, but you would be rebuilding it anyway. Other than being overreved it was taken care of for its entire life of 30K miles. The only condition is that you have to keep me updated on the build process

BTW I can ship for a halfways decent price depending on where you are from. PM me for more info. I hate whoreing this thread.

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ok well i got a great deal on a custom built bottom for a D17 i can push 20psi out of it. Now what turbo should i go with? Also what incooler?
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oh god, this is turning into HT all over again... but as for the 200whp on a d series motor, there are d16's with ITB's running 200whp on pumped gas
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Originally Posted by Curiouz_G
oh god, this is turning into HT all over again... but as for the 200whp on a d series motor, there are d16's with ITB's running 200whp on pumped gas

can you give me a site or what parts they have?
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well first off that is a d16, which has many more parts out for it then our d17. just go to a local shop, one that actually knows what they're doing, and chat with the guys there. if you're serious about dropping enough $$ to get your engine to 200hp i'm sure they'll be quite friendly =P.
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Ok, Civicman, you have about 8 more years of research before you should even OPEN the hood of your car.
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Ok, Civicman, you have about 8 more years of research before you should even OPEN the hood of your car.


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Originally Posted by Civicman1988
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what he means is... you won't get your engine to 200whp no matter how much you think you might unless you turbo. our engines are small, they suck, and frankly, the few n/a d16s that hit those numbers have had 15000+ dropped into them. yet you come in here and act like you know everything, and that you WILL get 200hp, and then you ask for others to do the research for you...
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Originally Posted by ricergribbs
what he means is... you won't get your engine to 200whp no matter how much you think you might unless you turbo. our engines are small, they suck, and frankly, the few n/a d16s that hit those numbers have had 15000+ dropped into them. yet you come in here and act like you know everything, and that you WILL get 200hp, and then you ask for others to do the research for you...


first off i dont want anyone to do any research if they have a link then thats fine and i am welling to give it a hot and 15000 I doubt it unless you have proof. I dont act liek i know it all i am asking for opinions if u dont have anything then dont post and get the thread closed. Someone people that are n/a people want to hit 200 and will try unlike people like u that talk and dont do nothing about it

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