f20/f22 swap- lets discuss
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f20/f22 swap- lets discuss
ok, ive been pondering this.
things i would need
f20c/f22c= about 3k http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Honda...spagenameZWDVW
um tranny would be around 600=http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2000-HONDA-S2000-6-SPEED-TRANSMISSION-F20C_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ33733QQitemZ802533 1909QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW
so 4k for complete motor
junkyard= fuel pump, ecu, and mounts. or i could go lookin for a motor and tranny in a junkyard. but anyway.
im wodering what i would have to do. i read the k20 FAQ but this ain't no k20.
little help. what custom work would i need to do? wanting to keep it FWD and keep cluster. i know i would need to get gauges.
things i would need
f20c/f22c= about 3k http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Honda...spagenameZWDVW
um tranny would be around 600=http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2000-HONDA-S2000-6-SPEED-TRANSMISSION-F20C_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ33733QQitemZ802533 1909QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW
so 4k for complete motor
junkyard= fuel pump, ecu, and mounts. or i could go lookin for a motor and tranny in a junkyard. but anyway.
im wodering what i would have to do. i read the k20 FAQ but this ain't no k20.
little help. what custom work would i need to do? wanting to keep it FWD and keep cluster. i know i would need to get gauges.
not sure on that, but i'm told that the engine rotates opposite from ours, so you'd end up with 5 reverse and 1 forward gear...not sure on all the specifics, just what i've read here and there...
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Rep Power: 280 This has been covered just 2 weeks ago or so...
http://www.7thgencivic.com/forums/sh...&highlight=f20
http://www.7thgencivic.com/forums/sh...&highlight=f20
I think you will be 1st one to try it out on this site, wiring will be a biach to do.
http://www.7thgencivic.com/forums/sh...&highlight=f20
http://www.7thgencivic.com/forums/sh...&highlight=f20
I think you will be 1st one to try it out on this site, wiring will be a biach to do.
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u can't do it thats why they have the swap faq with what motors fit and work with the 7thgen. I mean you could put any motor u want if you wanna spend the money. Just stay with the k motors or the b16b(typ r civic) or go get a s2000. It would be alot cheaper than that swapping it into a 7th gen.
Yeah like mentioned above, it spins in the other direction. I dont think you could get around that could you? If you could do a rwd civic that would be really cool, but cost way to much
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Rep Power: 336 it will fit transversly with custom motor mounts. i would use the RSX S tranny then if i can't use the gears of the s2k. anyways, those threads are 2 years and 2 months old respectively. and they talk nothing about swapping into a 7thgen. anyways, i want to keep it FWD for the sleeper aspect cause that is my ultimate goal. also FWD= less drivetrain loss. more power to the front wheels.
i don't want to just stay with b or k series. in all reality the price would be around the same as a k20a2 swap.
any other thoughts? btw i don't have the money. but i will one day. id rahter know now than later what i need
i don't want to just stay with b or k series. in all reality the price would be around the same as a k20a2 swap.
any other thoughts? btw i don't have the money. but i will one day. id rahter know now than later what i need
for the money per horsepower ratio (considering not just parts but installation costs and whatnot) the k-swap is so much more practical.
but if you want fun, buy the f-series and drop it onto a go-kart?
but if you want fun, buy the f-series and drop it onto a go-kart?
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btw i don't have the money. but i will one day. id rahter know now than later what i need
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Rep Power: 0 wanting 240 HP, but not wanting a built K24 or K20 is ricer logic. Why try to fit an engine that's not going to fit just because it's different? why not try to put a skyline in there transversely? that'd be really cool with the engine sticking out over the wheels and all, I'd just put a lamborghini V12 in there transversely and really be the man!
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Originally Posted by Got Boost???
Ok lets just look at some of the things that you are going to need to do to make this possible.
You are going to have to cut out a large strip of metal out of the middle of the car and weld in some arch-shaped metal to make a passage for the drive shaft.
You'll have to have a custom exhaust made because now you have a driveshaft in the way of your old exhaust. This will also require you make a recess in the underside or the exhaust piping will hang too low. This alos requires mounting custom hangers for your custom exhaust
you are going to have to have a custon driveshaft made
You are going to have to cut out a large recess in the back to make room for the differental. And make some mounts so you can actually attach it, same goes with the drive shaft.
you'll need custom axles made
All those lines(fuel, electrical, parking brake) under your car will have to be moved
You alos are going to need to redo your fuel system
You'll have to set up your car for rear disc brakes.
You'll need to alter your rear suspension quite a bit
Since you've been cutting and drilling out a large part of the body, you now have the fun task of getting all your interior pieces to go back into place. Please note that you now have a large hump running down the middle of your car.
You'll need to somehow make more room in the engine bay, most likely buy cutting into the firewall and moving it or extending the front end and doing some custom body work, although neither is no easy task.
Since your hacked up your firewall, which will undoubtly affect your interior, you now have to make everything fit again.
Now that you have the room you need to fab up some motor mounts
Now your S2000 trans is going to require you to cut even more into you firewall.
Now you go make some mounts for the trans
Now thats youve got the engine,trans, diff, and drive shaft in. You need to SOMEHOW make the computer work, god only knows how you plan on doing that.
You also need to attach all your lines, fuel,coolant etc etc.
You've just realized that you vic raditor isn;t going to cut it, so now you have a custom raditor made to fint in whatever space you have left. And then you make mounts for the raditor
This is just the things I could think of. We all know that there will be hundreds of fitment issues
I think there is a reason why no one has even attempted this kind of swap
Ok lets just look at some of the things that you are going to need to do to make this possible.
You are going to have to cut out a large strip of metal out of the middle of the car and weld in some arch-shaped metal to make a passage for the drive shaft.
You'll have to have a custom exhaust made because now you have a driveshaft in the way of your old exhaust. This will also require you make a recess in the underside or the exhaust piping will hang too low. This alos requires mounting custom hangers for your custom exhaust
you are going to have to have a custon driveshaft made
You are going to have to cut out a large recess in the back to make room for the differental. And make some mounts so you can actually attach it, same goes with the drive shaft.
you'll need custom axles made
All those lines(fuel, electrical, parking brake) under your car will have to be moved
You alos are going to need to redo your fuel system
You'll have to set up your car for rear disc brakes.
You'll need to alter your rear suspension quite a bit
Since you've been cutting and drilling out a large part of the body, you now have the fun task of getting all your interior pieces to go back into place. Please note that you now have a large hump running down the middle of your car.
You'll need to somehow make more room in the engine bay, most likely buy cutting into the firewall and moving it or extending the front end and doing some custom body work, although neither is no easy task.
Since your hacked up your firewall, which will undoubtly affect your interior, you now have to make everything fit again.
Now that you have the room you need to fab up some motor mounts
Now your S2000 trans is going to require you to cut even more into you firewall.
Now you go make some mounts for the trans
Now thats youve got the engine,trans, diff, and drive shaft in. You need to SOMEHOW make the computer work, god only knows how you plan on doing that.
You also need to attach all your lines, fuel,coolant etc etc.
You've just realized that you vic raditor isn;t going to cut it, so now you have a custom raditor made to fint in whatever space you have left. And then you make mounts for the raditor
This is just the things I could think of. We all know that there will be hundreds of fitment issues
I think there is a reason why no one has even attempted this kind of swap
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Originally Posted by acjones21
wanting 240 HP, but not wanting a built K24 or K20 is ricer logic. Why try to fit an engine that's not going to fit just because it's different? why not try to put a skyline in there transversely? that'd be really cool with the engine sticking out over the wheels and all, I'd just put a lamborghini V12 in there transversely and really be the man!
Originally Posted by acjones21
wanting 240 HP, but not wanting a built K24 or K20 is ricer logic. Why try to fit an engine that's not going to fit just because it's different? why not try to put a skyline in there transversely? that'd be really cool with the engine sticking out over the wheels and all, I'd just put a lamborghini V12 in there transversely and really be the man!
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Originally Posted by MajinB
it is NOT ricer logic. this guy that posts here has a swapped sentra with the 2.5 motor i think. its either that or a 3.5. tell me thats not possible. puttin a v6 into a 4banger bay. give me a break. i mean if you really want to defy logic swap a v6 accord motor in there. don't start talkin about ricer logic. thats BS. im just curious, so if your not gonna say stupid things and not help then don't annoy me with your ignorance. im trying to learn.
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I'm not gonna e-argue with any of you bitches, my point is that putting a long ***, horizontally mounted RWD motor into a civic that came with a small *** transversely mounted FWD motor is stupid. swapping motors is OK, I've seen RB26s in 240s, LS1s in miatas and Evo motors in mirages, but those motors came from the same platform (RWD->RWD in the miata and 240, transverse mounted motor->transverse-mounted in the case of the mirage) If you are trying to learn then, you shouldn't be arguing and you shouldn't be saying "yeah, I'm gonna do x one day when I get paid" swap in a K if you want power, but if you want to look dumb keep talking about the F20 swap.
majinB dont listen to this fool its a cool concept but not that great of an idea for fwd, if you wanted to put it in for a rwd conversion thats cool (though then again u get the question of is there a better motor while your at it)
Why don't you go to a GOOD custom shop in your town? Im sure they have done some crazy things in there time. They will either give you a good idea of what will all have to be done if you sit down and talk to them or they will laugh at u. It is a possiblity in a way. The drag car they has a twin turbo nsx motor in it is a 7th gen body but it's RWD Im pretty sure. But that also has a whole fiberglass body and is totally redone.
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Rep Power: 336 i have a problem finding a shop in my town. the closest one is in loganville and thats a damn while away.
my idea is not stupid. if your gonna argue then argue, but don't think im stupid for my idea.
they have swapped v8s into a miata. yea a miata. what now?
anything is possible with cars. thats why i love them.
rwd conversion would be an altogether pain in the ***. im not arguing that it WOULD be a pain in the *** to do a swap like this.
just give some decent posts instead of flaming. wtf
my idea is not stupid. if your gonna argue then argue, but don't think im stupid for my idea.
they have swapped v8s into a miata. yea a miata. what now?
anything is possible with cars. thats why i love them.
rwd conversion would be an altogether pain in the ***. im not arguing that it WOULD be a pain in the *** to do a swap like this.
just give some decent posts instead of flaming. wtf
but your missing the point, theyve swapped mustang 4.6litres into focuses.
the point is that they take the rwd drivetrain and convert the fwd car into rwd. you want to spend tons of money to use a rwd drivetrain and convert the drivetrain into fwd on ur car, its rediculous time and money for the 20 hp more than the k20a. and ive heard k series respond better to bolt-ons than the f-series. so for 20 hp more is it really worth doing this conversion? yea some will respect it cus its unique but all will wonder wtf did u spend the time and money for when a guy down the street spent half the money for the same results with a k-swap and a couple bolt-ons.
im not trying to bash ya, just want ya to see it like this.
if ya got the money layin around get a really beat up old civic (beat up body work wise) for a couple hundred and do a rwd conversion with the fseries actually lol youve inspired me to want to do this.
the point is that they take the rwd drivetrain and convert the fwd car into rwd. you want to spend tons of money to use a rwd drivetrain and convert the drivetrain into fwd on ur car, its rediculous time and money for the 20 hp more than the k20a. and ive heard k series respond better to bolt-ons than the f-series. so for 20 hp more is it really worth doing this conversion? yea some will respect it cus its unique but all will wonder wtf did u spend the time and money for when a guy down the street spent half the money for the same results with a k-swap and a couple bolt-ons.
im not trying to bash ya, just want ya to see it like this.
if ya got the money layin around get a really beat up old civic (beat up body work wise) for a couple hundred and do a rwd conversion with the fseries actually lol youve inspired me to want to do this.
^ exactly my point.
f20c's and f22c's already have very good i/h/e from the factory ... boltons don't do much.
on the other hand, boltons do wonders for K series motors ...
not to mention that the EMS is probably the only tuning solution for s2000 motors ... not like hondata
K24's will also make tons of torque compared to the f20's and even k20's. k24 frankensteins with cams and a mild tune are seeing 240 whp
f20c's and f22c's already have very good i/h/e from the factory ... boltons don't do much.
on the other hand, boltons do wonders for K series motors ...
not to mention that the EMS is probably the only tuning solution for s2000 motors ... not like hondata
K24's will also make tons of torque compared to the f20's and even k20's. k24 frankensteins with cams and a mild tune are seeing 240 whp
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