is there any good advice?
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is there any good advice?
I've read alot of threads about turbos, swaps ect.... and never see a straight awnser to a question.
someone asks 'should i turbo my d17' and the replies are all over the place
'yes hp is good'
'no your tranny won't handle the extra hp'
'turbo's have too many problems'
'i'd swap instead of turbo'
ect.....
i know people have there own opinions on the subject but for someone looking for helpful info (like myself) they're left witha dead end it seems.
The biggest problem i have is that i don't know anyone that likes tuning vics or has a great knowledge about cars, so i come here. (and i do use the search
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so the point i'm getting to is if you were in my position what would you do.
P.S. plz flame too some of the people here are good at that
someone asks 'should i turbo my d17' and the replies are all over the place
'yes hp is good'
'no your tranny won't handle the extra hp'
'turbo's have too many problems'
'i'd swap instead of turbo'
ect.....
i know people have there own opinions on the subject but for someone looking for helpful info (like myself) they're left witha dead end it seems.
The biggest problem i have is that i don't know anyone that likes tuning vics or has a great knowledge about cars, so i come here. (and i do use the search
)so the point i'm getting to is if you were in my position what would you do.
P.S. plz flame too some of the people here are good at that
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since this thread will probably get locked due to you not searching, I will throw in my 2 cents.
If you do it right and smart, turboing a d17 will yeild some big results. Everyone has there opinions, some would rather drop in a k20 and go from there. Others turboed and went from there. But I think the biggest thing to it depends on how much time and money you are willing to spend. Check out some of the turboed members on this site. Check out C2i0v0i1C, he has an LX that is turboed running 245 HP at the wheels. thats damn good on a stock engine that puts out barely 100 HP. But he also has internal engine upgrades. that helps also. If you turbo your car properly, then your engine and turbo should last a long time. If not, then you will have problems. Now if you arent experienced at tuning it, find a shop that has experience people who can help.
Now others want to drop in a k20 and go from there. But again it all depends on money. doing a swap can get expensive. But always remember, when you are adding all this extra HP, you also create extra heat. You are also pushing the engine alot harder which means you will need to upgrade stuff. Whether it be the internals of the engine or upgrading the internals of the tranny, something will give with to much power. But again, if done right, you will be fine.
If you do it right and smart, turboing a d17 will yeild some big results. Everyone has there opinions, some would rather drop in a k20 and go from there. Others turboed and went from there. But I think the biggest thing to it depends on how much time and money you are willing to spend. Check out some of the turboed members on this site. Check out C2i0v0i1C, he has an LX that is turboed running 245 HP at the wheels. thats damn good on a stock engine that puts out barely 100 HP. But he also has internal engine upgrades. that helps also. If you turbo your car properly, then your engine and turbo should last a long time. If not, then you will have problems. Now if you arent experienced at tuning it, find a shop that has experience people who can help.
Now others want to drop in a k20 and go from there. But again it all depends on money. doing a swap can get expensive. But always remember, when you are adding all this extra HP, you also create extra heat. You are also pushing the engine alot harder which means you will need to upgrade stuff. Whether it be the internals of the engine or upgrading the internals of the tranny, something will give with to much power. But again, if done right, you will be fine.
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Rep Power: 0 i'm not looking for the fastest vic on the road id be happy to start with a 15-20 hp gain and next spring look into the prices on a turbo kit. that would be about as far as i would go a d17 with a stage 1 turbo kit hopefully somthing that is fairly easy to maintain. I drive my car like it belongs to my dad and he's riding with me most of the time, i'd just like some more go when i feel the need for speed
right now i'm looking to spend roughly$500.00 before the turbo investment
and i know the turbo kit will be a $3000.00 + investment
right now i'm looking to spend roughly$500.00 before the turbo investment
and i know the turbo kit will be a $3000.00 + investment
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contact DEZOD, he might be able to do something about the tuning issue. maybe send u a map or something. ud have to ask him
contact DEZOD, he might be able to do something about the tuning issue. maybe send u a map or something. ud have to ask him
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this is his website
or you can PM him here
http://www.7thgencivic.com/forums/member.php?u=16348
this is his website
or you can PM him here
http://www.7thgencivic.com/forums/member.php?u=16348
i have done it all.. almost..
i went from all motor d17 to custom turboed d17 to what i have now.. a k20
right now imma go all motor k20 and from there if i see the need for more its going turbo k20...
but see i have spent tons of money going from one to the next.. and it all depends on how much you can initially spend and how far you wanna go..
i have hit a dead end with all motor..
you can only go so far with turbo and built internals
so the next logic step is the k20... just all depends on how far and what you wanna spend
i went from all motor d17 to custom turboed d17 to what i have now.. a k20
right now imma go all motor k20 and from there if i see the need for more its going turbo k20...
but see i have spent tons of money going from one to the next.. and it all depends on how much you can initially spend and how far you wanna go..
i have hit a dead end with all motor..
you can only go so far with turbo and built internals
so the next logic step is the k20... just all depends on how far and what you wanna spend
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Rep Power: 0 thanks again i'll ask him hopefully he knows someone
if not i'll have to 'wing it' myself i suppose
what kind of kit would you reccomend i know aboiut the TSI extreme kit for the d17 any other good kits i should look into, and do ou think it would be wise to put a turbo kit on a stock vic without anything else changed not even the exhaust?
(yes i know i should search for the awnser buit you guys seem to be honest with your awnsers)
if not i'll have to 'wing it' myself i suppose
what kind of kit would you reccomend i know aboiut the TSI extreme kit for the d17 any other good kits i should look into, and do ou think it would be wise to put a turbo kit on a stock vic without anything else changed not even the exhaust?
(yes i know i should search for the awnser buit you guys seem to be honest with your awnsers)
read this.. we had this whole discussion earlier
http://www.7thgencivic.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=228443
http://www.7thgencivic.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=228443
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Rep Power: 0 Like everyone has said, If you decied to turbo i would say yeah go for it. only its going to caust you a few bucks to do it right. I have seen a lot of people strap on a trubo, run 6 or 7 psi and run it in to the ground. Yeah you can spent 2000-3000 bucks on a kit, but what are you really getting for it? When you turbo a car the reliablity goes down and there tends to be a lot more problems then doing something NA. But not to say that it cant be done right. I dont know exzactly what your going for here.
Personaly i decied that the swap was the better bet for my goals. I dont plan on selling my car anytime soon, and plan on making it as quick and reliable as i can. The swap gave me a better platform for making the car quick NA, although you can also turob the car. But if you ever plan on getting rid of the car, i would say turbo the car, its cheeper and you can always put the car back to stock. Doing the swap, you wil either have to sell it to a privat owner or bite the cost of everything you did to it.
Engine for powe K20 or k24 Frankenstine *cheeper than a K20*
Engine for price turbo
Personaly i decied that the swap was the better bet for my goals. I dont plan on selling my car anytime soon, and plan on making it as quick and reliable as i can. The swap gave me a better platform for making the car quick NA, although you can also turob the car. But if you ever plan on getting rid of the car, i would say turbo the car, its cheeper and you can always put the car back to stock. Doing the swap, you wil either have to sell it to a privat owner or bite the cost of everything you did to it.
Engine for powe K20 or k24 Frankenstine *cheeper than a K20*
Engine for price turbo
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Rep Power: 0 i understand that a turbo can cause troubles and i know a swap is also a good option but i do not know anyone that has either a turbo or has done a swap i wouldn't know where to get a k20 or k24 or find some one that can give me proper advice on purchasing another engine, the turbo seems to be an option because it seems to be a common route and the information seems to be widely avaiable on the internet so if i have to do it myself i'd find it easier to get the right tools and equipment for a turbo upgrade.
but please correct me if i'm wrong, if you think a swap would be easier for some one to do alone and the tools common. maybe some info would help
but please correct me if i'm wrong, if you think a swap would be easier for some one to do alone and the tools common. maybe some info would help
Wish I had a Turbo 
well if your going to race quite a bit then racing on a stock d17 is not much cause you cant really up the boost as much... but if you build the internals the you can only go so far.. i think 245hp is the highest i have seen so far... and you could get those same numbers all motor k20.. considering i have a k20 only with intake headers exhaust and i am putting out 201hp
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Rep Power: 413 how many "should I turbo my car" threads do we need, really? you recited the pros and cons.
and civic01vtec already answered this like a week ago......
maybe we need a FAQ on "should I swap, should I turbo, pros and cons of each"
who wants to be in my good graces and write it?
and civic01vtec already answered this like a week ago......
maybe we need a FAQ on "should I swap, should I turbo, pros and cons of each"
who wants to be in my good graces and write it?
Originally Posted by Havok2k1
how many "should I turbo my car" threads do we need, really? you recited the pros and cons.
and civic01vtec already answered this like a week ago......
maybe we need a FAQ on "should I swap, should I turbo, pros and cons of each"
who wants to be in my good graces and write it?
and civic01vtec already answered this like a week ago......
maybe we need a FAQ on "should I swap, should I turbo, pros and cons of each"
who wants to be in my good graces and write it?
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Originally Posted by Havok2k1
how many "should I turbo my car" threads do we need, really? you recited the pros and cons.
and civic01vtec already answered this like a week ago......
maybe we need a FAQ on "should I swap, should I turbo, pros and cons of each"
who wants to be in my good graces and write it?
and civic01vtec already answered this like a week ago......
maybe we need a FAQ on "should I swap, should I turbo, pros and cons of each"
who wants to be in my good graces and write it?
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Originally Posted by xproductionz
when i get home later i'll make one for you.. or at least attempt to anyways
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Rep Power: 285 I will say my part:
I loved my turbod D17.
On pump gas and an otherwise stock motor, i went 13.6 @ 101.9 mph on 9 psi. I drove my car on 9-11 psi daily for over a year. The car ran awesome until i had some problems with my fuel system, which caused damage to several of my pistons.
Now i have sleeves, rods, pistons, etc. (yet to be installed)
I have built everything myself and assembled everything myself. When i recieve the last component to my motor, i will be spending some time assembling the motor and finishing up my intake manifold. Then when the motor is in the car and running, i will finish my turbo setup for my 60-1 on my spare motor on the engine stand, and then install it on the car.
I love having the d17 motor in my car. It does not draw too terribly much attention. It makes a good amount of torque when turbocharged. And when you actually start beating people at the track, their reaction when they see your motor is much more gratifying than if you were to have a swap.
but thats just my $0.02
I loved my turbod D17.
On pump gas and an otherwise stock motor, i went 13.6 @ 101.9 mph on 9 psi. I drove my car on 9-11 psi daily for over a year. The car ran awesome until i had some problems with my fuel system, which caused damage to several of my pistons.
Now i have sleeves, rods, pistons, etc. (yet to be installed)
I have built everything myself and assembled everything myself. When i recieve the last component to my motor, i will be spending some time assembling the motor and finishing up my intake manifold. Then when the motor is in the car and running, i will finish my turbo setup for my 60-1 on my spare motor on the engine stand, and then install it on the car.
I love having the d17 motor in my car. It does not draw too terribly much attention. It makes a good amount of torque when turbocharged. And when you actually start beating people at the track, their reaction when they see your motor is much more gratifying than if you were to have a swap.
but thats just my $0.02
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Originally Posted by turboengnr
I will say my part:
I loved my turbod D17.
On pump gas and an otherwise stock motor, i went 13.6 @ 101.9 mph on 9 psi. I drove my car on 9-11 psi daily for over a year. The car ran awesome until i had some problems with my fuel system, which caused damage to several of my pistons.
Now i have sleeves, rods, pistons, etc. (yet to be installed)
I have built everything myself and assembled everything myself. When i recieve the last component to my motor, i will be spending some time assembling the motor and finishing up my intake manifold. Then when the motor is in the car and running, i will finish my turbo setup for my 60-1 on my spare motor on the engine stand, and then install it on the car.
I love having the d17 motor in my car. It does not draw too terribly much attention. It makes a good amount of torque when turbocharged. And when you actually start beating people at the track, their reaction when they see your motor is much more gratifying than if you were to have a swap.
but thats just my $0.02
I loved my turbod D17.
On pump gas and an otherwise stock motor, i went 13.6 @ 101.9 mph on 9 psi. I drove my car on 9-11 psi daily for over a year. The car ran awesome until i had some problems with my fuel system, which caused damage to several of my pistons.
Now i have sleeves, rods, pistons, etc. (yet to be installed)
I have built everything myself and assembled everything myself. When i recieve the last component to my motor, i will be spending some time assembling the motor and finishing up my intake manifold. Then when the motor is in the car and running, i will finish my turbo setup for my 60-1 on my spare motor on the engine stand, and then install it on the car.
I love having the d17 motor in my car. It does not draw too terribly much attention. It makes a good amount of torque when turbocharged. And when you actually start beating people at the track, their reaction when they see your motor is much more gratifying than if you were to have a swap.
but thats just my $0.02
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Originally Posted by 04|5spdCivic
you dont think turbo is worth it in our cars civic01vtec? i've always heard the exact opposite why dont you think its worth it?
I spent about $5,000 on my turbo set-up. The motor is completely stock. Now i have a car with oil leaks, constant cel's, exhaust leak and idling problems sometimes. So far, i have been lucky, my motor is still in one piece, but i have a feeling that soon she will blow. Many ppl have blown HG's, smoked pistons and spun bearings. I spent all of this money have have a car that can beat a type S.......woo hoo
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Originally Posted by civic01vtec
I spent about $5,000 on my turbo set-up. The motor is completely stock. Now i have a car with oil leaks, constant cel's, exhaust leak and idling problems sometimes. So far, i have been lucky, my motor is still in one piece, but i have a feeling that soon she will blow. Many ppl have blown HG's, smoked pistons and spun bearings. I spent all of this money have have a car that can beat a type S.......woo hoo My money would have been better spent on a swap are put it towards a car that is faster and reliable.
My money would have been better spent on a swap are put it towards a car that is faster and reliable.....All in all, its depends how hard you drive, psi you blow and maintanance you give. If you can do all of these more or less reasonably, than it shouldnt be big of a deal for the stock motor....
It all comes down to the owner.
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Originally Posted by Drk01Civic
I didn't have any problems when I was boosted. Maybe I just did my homework or maybe you are just a crappy mechanic 
or maybe I just got lucky.
or maybe I just got lucky.
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Originally Posted by Drk01Civic
I didn't have any problems when I was boosted. Maybe I just did my homework or maybe you are just a crappy mechanic or maybe I just got lucky.
or maybe I just got lucky.You were only boosted for like a couple months. I had no problems my first year.
