WhiteCastle

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My question for you is why does everyone want to swap a k20 so badly and not a k24? K24's can run between 700 and 1000 bucks for the motor through a junkyard. The k24 is 2.4 liters and off the bat has way more torque than a k20.
K24s come in Honda elements, Accords, Crvs and there is a 200hp one in the TSX. TSX will cost you 1500 bucks though. Even so these engines are cheaper, have more torque and respond to mods better.'
Infact isnt the best swap for our car a k24 with a k20 head? k20 heads sell for 200 bucks! I was looking around and saw 3 for sall for that price today.
So whats so special about the k20 that makes everyone want it over a very availible k24 that responds better to mods, especially to forced induction.
anyone have thoughts on this?

aznboysrfr

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hehe a couple things ...

- k20a3 heads are useless on a k24 ... so only k20a2 and k20a heads would be worthwhile ... they typically go for 600+

- in MY opinion, K20 swaps are better -because- of the lack of torque ... it makes putting the power to the ground much easier in the lower gears. Plus, high revving engines are fun

- I dunno where you can find a tsx engine for 1500 complete ... cheapest I've seen them is $3k shipped from Nikos.

- there's a bit of custom work involved to getting a k24 to fit, I believe ... one of the hasport mounts needs to be modded, need a k20 subframe, k20a3 axles

stl01civic

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too much custom work to fit that big a$$ in our little engine bay.

nickm748

is it possible to put an f20c in our cars?

doubledeuce2k2

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for you no.

rsx swaps are around $3k as far as i see, any k24 you'd still need a tranny which will add around $500. any swap is expensive, i say do it right and go either frankenstein or k20a(2). unless you're boosting

jackburton

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The k20 is a better engine, designed for speed, why do think they put it in the rsx type s. Sure it has more displacement, but it does not really matter. The type s engine has 40 more horse power, and more aftermarket internals available. There is no need for it in our cars because they are so light, Honda uses more displacement in order to obtain more torque for heavy cars, like the Crv and accord. The tsx would be nice but not worth the $$$$. Put a turbo on K20a2 after swap and your talking 324 whp, with stock internals.

jackburton

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I am not sure what you mean by "unless your boosting", could you elaborate, i was not sure what engine you meant to be boosted.

allmotor

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personally i would take a built k20a2 mtr with a full-race turbo kit then a k20a2/k24 etc. Just like how i would pick a gsr mtr built with a full-race kit then a gsr/b20z. Unlike the b20 or k24 where its not good to rev hella high, it makes good torque while the 1.8 or 2.0 can rev to 8000-9000 and with a good turbo make power from anywhere 3500-9000 depending on all kinds of stuff like what size turbo etc and u probably have very good top end. And at the strip it doesnt matter cause ur launchin at whatever and with most guys runnin those 1.8 or 2.0 turbo setups they probably run slicks and launch and are already in there powerband so really its up to u.

civic01vtec

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ask hondaluver why.........frankenstein swap is more expensive than the k20 swap

HondaLuver

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hummm..... interesting..... i have it because....... NO ONE ELSE DOES....... lol.. anyways... all the stupid little parts......

trust me... torque matters... going up a hill in 6th gear at 2k with 4 other people in the car... no effort = pricelesss

i was going to go all motor... but i have decided that a turbo is just alot funner... so when ever i get 5k saved up, im getting a stage 3 full-race turbokit with a GT35R

can anybody say 450 hp at 12psi on stock internals.... humm.. 11's with slicks at the track...

jackburton

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I know that torque is important, but when we re comparing k20a2 to k24 accord engine, it is not becasue of added hp, and like i said, better platform for aftermarket parts, and.....
That frankenstein swap must be hella cool, I think when i finally save up i will just get the k20A2 due to price.

WhiteCastle

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you have the most logical swap on the site unless someone can prove me wrong. About the prices which everyone continues to say its more. Thats false..
1500 bucks for a TSX engine is still alot cheaper than getting a k20a. I dont know where you guys get your prices but I look through online Junk yards not "speed shops"
K24 is a cheaper engine its more abundant.. its in the accord, CRV, TSX.. Theya re eevrywhere like the d17!
BTW its 200 bucks I meant for a k20a2 head I found and I found a k24 block for 800 bucks. Just got to search guys.
To me Torque is everything hp comes secound. Your guys argument on it revs higher or its a "race motor' dont help.. Anything else other than these pointless attributes?
Torque = amazing!

jackburton

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Also, I am bit dislexic, i was thinking he was using bottom end of k20a2, while i was reading this thread, so thats why I thought they were more expensive. Im retarded that makes no sense at all, jeese no flammin needed, I know.
How much does a brand new k20a2 cost by the way???

CivicMexicano

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you can get one at Honda-teh for like $5000 but thats without tranny or accesories....

HondaLuver

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does it really matter about reving so high? so because a mustang cobra that doesn't rev above 4500 rpm isn't fun because it doesn't rev that high?

aznboysrfr

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a cobra also has 300+ (r)wtq ... if you have that on a fwd, you're gonna have some problems.

low torque, high revving engines are a good solution keeping the power to the ground in a fwd.

torque doesn't matter in a fwd unless you plan on doing a lot of uphill racing... even in that case, it still won't matter.

whenever I get my engine in, I'm gonna have fun with it ... I would find it very, very difficult to have fun with a turbo k24 on the streets simply because you cannot drive it fast ... you'll lose traction so easily and the only time you'd gain it is when you're over the speed limit ... that doesn't sound fun to me. I think people should have fun with their engines, rather than being "held back" until they are on the track with slicks where their fun only lasts 11 seconds long.

some of you also have to consider the fact that not everyone likes to or wants to search around for the many separate little parts that you need with a k24 swap.

I'm not telling anyone what to do ... I'm just giving my point of view ... and I'll have fun with my car 24/7 ... stop or roll ... street or strip ... whenever my ****ing engine gets here from malaysia ...

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HondaLuver

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^^ i hope u get ur **** soon... i wanna race it...

aznboysrfr

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edit: wtf? this isn't even on topic

jackburton

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He just wants to throw down and show you his torque power!!!

MajinB

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v8s CANT rev near as high cause they have 8 cylinders. make sense you guys? they don't need to rev that high. thats why there are 8 instead of 4. and yeah i know european v8s can but not mustangs

thefivespeeder

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why havn't we had a thread like this in a while? so what exactly is a frankenstein swap? k20a2 head on k24 block with whatever the code is for the rsx 6 speed dc5 or something? using the a2 ecu? now that i work at a garage i can get junkyard parts cheap...now im thinkin' swap...so help me out, what is the pros and cons of all the k series swaps and mixes....

EM2typeflex

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^I guess it all depends on what exactly you want to do with your car. I want a 1/4 mile killer, so I'd go K24.

jackburton

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Go with either k20a2 or k24 frankenstein/hybrid, strait k24 from accor/crv, or k20a3 si engine are pretty much a waste of time and money, if you wanna do things "right".
This is quoting azn boy, somewhat, also there is a thread in general automotive called k20 vs. k24 that you guys should read.

K20a2 swap
K20a2 motor, trans, ecu, shift linkage - $3000
subframe - $300
hasport mounts - $500
k20a3 axles - $200
ep3 stock radiator - $150
hasport harness - $250 (?)

total: approx. $4400 if you do all the labor yourself

Hybrid swap=more torque and more hp, but is a pain because you will be waiting on parts, and having to order alot of stuff

K24a2 motor, trans, ecu, shift linkage -
K20a2 head -
K20a2 ecu* - $200
K20a2 throttle body - $200
K20 subframe - $300
K20a2 transmission - $900
hasport mounts - $500
ep3 stock radiator - $150
hasport harness - $250 (?)
k20a3 axles - $200
head gasket - $35
type S intake manifold - $200 (?)
Kpro - $1000
Timing belt, and a couple other things...

jackburton

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That is to give you a basic idea, i think he was talking about using the bottom end off a tsx, but you can use a k24 accor or crv bottom end.

HondaLuver

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try car-parts.com or try to look for honda junkyards... and try to bargin...

aznboysrfr

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^ not everyone can get those same deals ... thought I'm sure if you look hard enough you can.

I've seen K20a2 complete swaps for $2500 as well ... though I'm giving general market prices to give people an idea.

hondaluver: why did yours cost so much then? ;P

EM2typeflex

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^^Damn 2500 for a K20A2! Is that just the motor alone? Why the hell did you waste your money on a K20A that you still haven't recieved, when you could've gone K20A2.

HondaLuver

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so many small parts that i needed, and i converted to a manual from a auto and i got all sorts of upgrades, header TypeR intake mani, TB, 6 speed tranny... lots of random hoses sensors mounts... type S harness, moved battery to back, rims...

aznboysrfr

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well the k20a is so much better is so many ways ... shorter gearing ... +500 rpms, lsd, better cams, lighter flywheel, better intake manifold, better header, better head, of course the red valve cover and jdm bling ;P

no ... I've seen that a couple times on clubrsx ... complete k20a2 swap, minus the subframe, axles.

but yeah, as u see in my sig, I'm looking for a k20a2 now ...

EM2typeflex

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^^Well being a type r thats a given, but damn you could've been sportin a type s 7 months ago, right. Sorry those *******s did you like that man.