AEM EMS Now Available
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AEM EMS Now Available I just got the updated parts and pricing list at work for AEM's 2005 lineup. It has the the EMS for the d17 as now available. Sorry if this is a re-post, but search turned up nothing. Just thought you'd all like to know.
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Rep Power: 0 We're selling it for around $1450 at www.performancecenter.com. We haven't received a lot of info on it yet, but it looks like AEM designed it to be interchangeable with the RSX and Si K20s and all d17s. Official release date is Feb 18th, but we can start taking orders now at 800-883-6437. The first shipment will most likely be the 22nd.
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Originally Posted by Leets
We're selling it for around $1450---we can start taking orders now at 800-883-6437. The first shipment will most likely be the 22nd.
dyno numbers on NA D17a2 setup yet? if NA gets 10+whp that means boosted guys gets 20+ whp
then I'll definitely get one... no dyno results no order 
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Rep Power: 0 it's a fully adjustable plug and play set-up... check out more info at http://www.aempower.com/product_ems.asp
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Originally Posted by pnoyster2k1cvic
dyno numbers on NA D17a2 setup yet? if NA gets 10+whp that means boosted guys gets 20+ whp then I'll definitely get one... no dyno results no order
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Rep Power: 0 to a K20 engine, i know there potential, and i would believe on gains with out the dyno results... but with D17a2? hahaha 
my d17a2 engine is like on MENOPAUSE when you screw with it, it will be as dry as a bucket of sand! so please! please! please! show us some dyno results! 
hahaha! I said WHP WHP# + 20-30 = WHP it's like when the factory say that the Si has 160HP<<(to the flywheel) it actually on y had about 130-140whp<<<(to the wheels) you know what I mean?
my d17a2 engine is like on MENOPAUSE when you screw with it, it will be as dry as a bucket of sand! so please! please! please! show us some dyno results!
Originally Posted by ati9700pro
If I could get a 10hp for 1450? that 145/ 1hp...lol kinda expensive
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Originally Posted by pnoyster2k1cvic
so please! please! please! show us some dyno results!
I think some of you may be missing the point of this unit. It isn't like an intake or exhaust that only does one thing. The purpose of this unit is to have full control over the different functions of the ecu. The software allows you to finely tune your specific set-up. Like every other part you add to a car, it's potential output is directly related to every other part that has been altered.
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Originally Posted by PoorCollegeBoy
So if someone bought one, and tuned it they could post the data file on this site and anyone else with the AEM EMS could run that same program?
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Originally Posted by Leets
To be honest I don't know that specifically, but considering the software is windows based I suppose it's possible.
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here ya go. stock lx on emanage...note higher redline
but also keep in mind this car is stock.
here ya go. stock lx on emanage...note higher redline
but also keep in mind this car is stock. Balut Eating Champ
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Originally Posted by PoorCollegeBoy
Hmm. If you couldnt tell by my first post, I have no idea what I am talking about. I just know that if I bought one there is no way I would be able to tune it myself.
^^^we need to get it dyno tuned anyway... coz even with the software etc, etc, it's not going to be on it's full potential unless dyno tuned
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Originally Posted by djmota
d17 emanage dyno link
here ya go. stock lx on emanage...note higher redline but also keep in mind this car is stock.
here ya go. stock lx on emanage...note higher redline
but also keep in mind this car is stock. but on LX? i was hoping they'll do it on a DX I guess they have the same engine and compression correct? 118WHP and 123TQ @ 6500
the stock LX have what? 102WHP NA stock? I guess AEM EMS upgrade would be the best bang for our buck
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Originally Posted by ati9700pro
If I could get a 10hp for 1450? that 145/ 1hp...lol kinda expensive
Originally Posted by pnoyster2k1cvic
hahaha! I said WHP WHP# + 20-30 = WHP it's like when the factory say that the Si has 160HP<<(to the flywheel) it actually on y had about 130-140whp<<<(to the wheels) you know what I mean?
.anyways, those dyno numbers look to be the most promising out of all the products for the 7thgen(besides turbo + Nitrous). Also here is what they were using:FYI,
The term "Stock" refers to the ECU, the D17 used in this test had an AEM intake and DC sports header.
That was posted for all those who will probably just look at the dyno chart and close it off.
Originally Posted by snowboreddave
dude, how much was your intake? or exhaust or header? because thats about the same $/HP that you got from those things..
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If I had the cash, I'd definatly get one. Having full control over the ECU can do wonders... this unit will be best utilized for those running turbo's.
What kinda gains do u really think you're going to get stock? This is the for the boosted guys out there. This is what all boosted previous gen civics use to get ridiculous amounts of HP out of the cars. With this mod, the whole "I get no power, d17 sucks" is a moot point. It completely replaces the ECU, enabling you to program it any which way you like. I need to save for this...
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I guess I should chime in here with my obligitory who should/who shouldn't buy it post, so here goes:
First point to understand: The EMS is a tool, it's not a "bolt on" performance upgrade nor is it a chip. It allows you to completely control the tune of your car, enabling your engine to make the most power possible with your existing setup. However, it wont "make" power, it will simply enable your existing setup to make the most power it's capable of.
The dyno tests performed are done to validate the basemap as a reasonable starting point. These basemaps are included free with the unit and can be modified by anyone. They are not designed nor marketed as the best map for your car. Simply a starting point for YOU to fine tune on your own car. In fact, we call these maps "startup maps" specifically to drive the point home that they are starting points, not finished products. The fact that it made a few more HP than then factory ECU is nice, but thats not the point.
Also (and this is very important), It puts the power of tuning your engine totally into your hands. You will have the ability to work wonders, and have the ability to blow the **** out of your motor faster than you can say, well, ****! If you dont have the ability and the desire to learn/tinker/play/program it, you will not be happy with it. However, if you're the type that simply can't get enough control and want everything "your way" then you simply won't find anything better.
Enough with that, now, here's what it is and what it will do:
1. It replaces your factory ECU and does everything it did (fuel, spark etc...). It plugs in in place of your factory ECU without cutting your harness or using a jumper harness.
2. It allows you to add extra injectors, even staging them and running a different fuel on the staged ones
3. Has a built in boost controller, ~$40 solenoid and you are set to go
4. Has built in datalogger. Can log with or without the laptop plugged in. Access to log over 400 internal parameters. Logs up to 250 samples a second, per channel!
5. Built in programmable traction control, no money or additional parts needed!
6. Built in fully programmable knock control, adds fuel and/or retards spark on knock.
7. Nitrous controller built in. wet or dry
8. 2 step launch control included, no wiring necessary
9. Fully programmable rev-limiter, you set target and how hard to hit.
10. Shift cut (shift without lift)
11. 12 general purpose outputs for intercooler sprayer, fans, extra fuel pump, shift lights, AFR warning lights etc...
12. The D17 unit is the same as the K series unit so when you swap out your motor, the ECU stays!
13. All software updates free, including new features. People who bought the EMS 3 years ago are now using the system with the latest features (traction control!) at no additional charge.
14. It DOES NOT work on A/T cars.
There's more, go to AEMPower.com for details.
<disclamer> I work for AEM </disclaimer>
I guess I should chime in here with my obligitory who should/who shouldn't buy it post, so here goes:
First point to understand: The EMS is a tool, it's not a "bolt on" performance upgrade nor is it a chip. It allows you to completely control the tune of your car, enabling your engine to make the most power possible with your existing setup. However, it wont "make" power, it will simply enable your existing setup to make the most power it's capable of.
The dyno tests performed are done to validate the basemap as a reasonable starting point. These basemaps are included free with the unit and can be modified by anyone. They are not designed nor marketed as the best map for your car. Simply a starting point for YOU to fine tune on your own car. In fact, we call these maps "startup maps" specifically to drive the point home that they are starting points, not finished products. The fact that it made a few more HP than then factory ECU is nice, but thats not the point.
Also (and this is very important), It puts the power of tuning your engine totally into your hands. You will have the ability to work wonders, and have the ability to blow the **** out of your motor faster than you can say, well, ****! If you dont have the ability and the desire to learn/tinker/play/program it, you will not be happy with it. However, if you're the type that simply can't get enough control and want everything "your way" then you simply won't find anything better.
Enough with that, now, here's what it is and what it will do:
1. It replaces your factory ECU and does everything it did (fuel, spark etc...). It plugs in in place of your factory ECU without cutting your harness or using a jumper harness.
2. It allows you to add extra injectors, even staging them and running a different fuel on the staged ones
3. Has a built in boost controller, ~$40 solenoid and you are set to go
4. Has built in datalogger. Can log with or without the laptop plugged in. Access to log over 400 internal parameters. Logs up to 250 samples a second, per channel!
5. Built in programmable traction control, no money or additional parts needed!
6. Built in fully programmable knock control, adds fuel and/or retards spark on knock.
7. Nitrous controller built in. wet or dry
8. 2 step launch control included, no wiring necessary
9. Fully programmable rev-limiter, you set target and how hard to hit.
10. Shift cut (shift without lift)
11. 12 general purpose outputs for intercooler sprayer, fans, extra fuel pump, shift lights, AFR warning lights etc...
12. The D17 unit is the same as the K series unit so when you swap out your motor, the ECU stays!
13. All software updates free, including new features. People who bought the EMS 3 years ago are now using the system with the latest features (traction control!) at no additional charge.
14. It DOES NOT work on A/T cars.
There's more, go to AEMPower.com for details.
<disclamer> I work for AEM </disclaimer>
Last edited by Mirage; Feb 16, 2005 at 10:22 AM. Reason: spelling
Originally Posted by Shlomo
so can someone explain the differences between this and k-pro, it kinda sounds roughly the same to me?
K-PRO is based on existing Honda ECU so it cannot do anything that the honda ECU could not electrically support already. You do have control of it, but you cant really add something that was not there originally.
So you can only control 4 injectors with the K-Pro with the AEM you can add up to 6 additional injectors. The relationship between the injector flow rates, fuel pressure and even what fuel you use is programmable on the EMS.
The EMS has 512Kb internal logging. The K-pro cannot log internally, you have to have a PC attached. How long do you want to drive around with your laptop sliding around in the passenger seat?
The EMS has built in traction control. You can fully program the allowable rates. K-Pro does not.
EMS has fully programmable boost controller. Allows you to set your target boost based on throttle position and RPM, or you can make it speed dependant. Also has a switch override to a different boost level.
EMS has full nitrous control, wet or dry. Uses a different 357 point ignition map and 357 point fuel map when on nitrous. Activates nitrous based on any combination of throttle, rpm, boost, coolant temp, vehicle speed and the arm switch.
EMS has real user definable shift cut and a 2 step limiter and a seperate rev limiter. Each can be independantly adjusted for trigger point and agressiveness.
EMS fully supports the iVTEC as implemented on the K20. (this means user definable cam timing via software). K-Pro does also.
EMS supports the D17, K-Pro does not.
EMS supports Speed-Throttle (alpha-n), Speed-Density & MAF operation. K-pro only supports Speed Density. The best way to do individual throttle bodies is Speed-Throttle. K-Pro cant do it. Has to have a klunky vacuum manifold that simply does not work as well as speed throttle. Thats why you see all the posts on HondaTech about "anybody got the Hondata to work with ITB's?"
With all that said, I will say that the KPro is a nice piece of work and Hondata is a standup company. The features of the EMS and K-Pro are different as the products are aimed at slightly different markets. Pick which one fits your needs best.
Also, I don't own a K-Pro so I may have got some of the above wrong but I don't think so. If there is anything inaccurate in the above post, pm me and I will change it ASAP.
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