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Now that things are starting to finally come together (almost all parts are here now), I am probably going to try and convert my fuel system this weekend (including installing the larger injectors, which should now fit). I understand the E-manage completely, and how to adjust / compensate for larger injectors. But for those of you who have installed this and larger injectors, did the idle learn procedure work (ie run the car to 2000 RPM or so until the fan kicks in)? Or did the larger injectors / manipulated MAP signal from the emanage effect it?

 
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yo if u use the emanages boost cut option, dont use a missing link or whatever u might have, with mine they canceled each other out for some reason, i was using both, and got a CEL everytime the thing hit boost, took off the boost cut and havent had one since, as for the idle, my car goes up and down in rpms when cold, once it heats up goes straight to 700-750

 
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I'd be curious to know what your (as well as others who are running the emanage) ignition timing maps look like as well. Since the E-manage cuts the MAP signal to let the car idle and run properly with larger injectors, the ignition timing will be off from stock as well. The only way to correct for this is to use the ignition timing adjustment map.....

So with that said - everyone post their maps!

 
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dont u have to have the program to look at them?

 
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yeah, so you can email it to me if you want

 
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I'm really considerin the e-manage once i get my tax return. The more help you guys can post up the better!!

 
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they are on the shops laptop, ill have to see about getting them

 
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My main concern isn't really about tuning anything myself - but after I install it I do have to try and drive the car to the tuner - and I don't want bad things to happen! Thanks for your help...

 
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when do i have til to get them, im going to the shop on feb 6 to see whats going on

 
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Anyone have any E-manage maps they can post. Injector, or Ignition maps would be great. I am looking for examples of where to start.

 
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Witch injector are u gonna use??

RSX ones??

Your converting to a retun system right?

 
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Read the date of this post - its already done....

 
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lol..that's what i was lookin at
i was like damn
cause even Speedychick had posted and she hasn't in a while

 
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hey C2i0v0i1C have a diy on the wireing install for the emanage? I need one =) or any other source of info on how to install it on our civics.

 
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Hey there Jeff,

Are you install it in a auto or manual?
Ex/Si, lx?

Makes a difference.
I just installed one in a 2001 ex (Si from Canada actually). With the ignition harness & injector harness too. It was real fun, hope you like cuttin up wires to your ECU in a small space. I used red wire clips & squeeze on connectors. Worked great.

Had to play with the switch settings & airflow sensor settings a bit to get it to work though. It still sometimes sets off error codes (#4 - Vtec wiring error) once every few days, but goes away the next time I start the car so I don't know what is causing that!

I planned on making a DIY E-manage install, but I left all my papers at home & I am out of town for 2 weeks at the present, but I found most of all the information I used in my install here:

http://www.7thgencivic.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=126958

And here:

http://www.7thgencivic.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=144316

But beware that the pice he has for the ignition (I think, or was it the injectors) are backwards, anyway it is easy to see the problem, just compare it to the e-manage installation manual.

Hope this helps a bit.

 
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Here are some pics of the E-manage support tool software:

http://www.7thgencivic.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=161784

 
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Ok I wonder if you guys may help me out with my math?
I worked the internals in my engine.
76mm. flanged sleeve
76mm pistons 9:1, compression height 1.023, bore 2.9921


Then a custom tubular intake manifold with a 73mm side mounted throttle body


So how do I calculate the new cc's for the engine ?
Stock 425cc
Will 310cc or 340cc injectors will work?
What size turbo will you guys recomend?

I know that the intake will change the piping on my turbo kit.
For know I want to take care of the fuel isues.
I like Dezods know how and I'll concider buying from him, he seems reliable.

I'll appreciate the info and opto / canadian 2k1 good luck and I apreciate all the reseach work and passing the information along I've being readding this thread and it help clear up a lot of questions I had.

I'll appreciated I you could help

 
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Is that your engine? If so, did you get much NA gains from that Custom Intake Manifold & where dod you get it? I plan on using used 340cc RSX-s injectors on my setup.

 
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Yes, it's a year long project of mine.
The intake works good for now, substancial gain in high RPM's.
Still low compression 9:1 so I use 75 shoot of nitrous.
But the pistons are a full 1mm bigger than stock so I need to upgrade the fuel system then go to a tuner shop.
I drive it almost every day.

There is a shop here in Florida that build the intake for me.
is good workmanship but a bit expensive.
I paid about $1200 installed including the intake manifold.

For now I need emanage and injectors
and I need to calculate the cc's

 
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Any idea of what HP numbers you are getting with the 75 shot?

 
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no, I'm watting to get the e-manage and the fuel injectors pump etc, then I'll take it to the dyno and have it tuned at the same time.

I'm trying to be carefull and not abuse the engine just yet
but I know that on 1st and 2nd gear it runs lean, I can tell by the fuel to air gauge, although it's not necessary acurate but is giving me some indication of what's going on.

last time I tested my stock engine (that I still have ) with 50 shoot, intake, pullies, header I dyno it at 160hp.
I don't know what it will do with the new set up.
I'm aspiring 190hp to the wheels and eventualy 210hp with turbo being concervative .

 
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If we upgrade the injectors to 340's, an put on a custom IM, and a larger TB, does the fuel pump need to be upgraded to prevent running lean?

 
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That's what I'm afraid of.
I know that Venom makes a high flow fuel pump that may work with our cars.
as a direct replacement.
If I could run high flow fuel pump and 340cc injectors with my set up without drowning the motor will be sweet.
But I'm sure I'll need e-manage and a lap top
That's why I need to find out the cc per cylinder that I have in the engine now after all the mods.
Once I know that, I'll know what type injectors I need.

Canadian: what kind of set up will you be running?
are you doing internals?

My car is 2k1 too.

 
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No internals done on my stock engine, just new Intake Manifold (with 340's), Throttle body, P&P head (5angle), and a cam for now until my turbo ever arrives from SF. I am wondering if I need an upgraded fuel pump for this.

I have e-manage installed, but I think I need to find someone who can tune it. Do you know if I would even be able to start the car without doing any e-manage tuning?

I have paid for a built engine (D17, forged internals, balanced crank, blueprinted, hot tanked, etc.) already, should be done in 2 weeks, but I am just going to sell it, because I don't really want more than 250 Hp, too mush hassle. I bought it on impulse thinking I need all the power I can get, but with that engine I could boost to like 20 psi, and that is just too much power for me to use in this small town without really getting into trouble.

Did you build your engine yourself?

 
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Have you tried to play with e-manage yet?
I would probably read the sofware instrutions and give it s good college try.
Is your cam a regrind?

Let me know if you need the D17 forged pistons as direct replacement, extreme duty rings, also a block guard with 50% more water flow.
I can get them.
At least with this relatively easy mods you'll protect your engine when pushing hard on it.

You could say I build the engine my self.
I located the parts and the companies that custom made my parts.
I figured all the numbers and took it to the machine shop and got couple of mechanics and welders to thinker with it all I need know is a tuning shop.
I even have a garage set up in my house and already have my stock engine prep on a stand ready for a high compression set up.
I already have pistons and rods, and getting the head prep for it as we speak.
Is probably going to take me another year or so to finish it

But Is getting expencive and I'm running out of $$$

Need to go back to work and safe.

 
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Yeah, money sucks, the more you get the more you spend, then you need more - naverending cycle. Sometimes I wish I didn't have stuff that I feel the need to protect, it would be an easier stress free life, but whatever.

Anyway, my engine is being built by someone, & they are having trouble finding pieces even.

Could you tell me what parts you have in your low compression 9:1 engine, so I can tell him and hurry up the process a bit?

Yes my cam is a regrind.

I have played a bit with the e-manage, but I have no idea what maps to use for this setup, so I might need professional help if I cannot find any D17 maps! I have used the vtec engagement point, and when I get back in town to mess with my car, I want to try using the ignition timing function & checking it with a timing gun like Opto did.

Do you think I can demmage the stock block (and blockguard) using these parts; P&P head with regrind cam, Custom Intake Manifold with 340cc Injectors, 74mm Throttle Body, and that SF turbo at 8 psi?

 
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I don't know but is better to be prepared and it won't hurt.
can get Wiseco 9:1 95mm or 95.5mm free floating forged alumn piston set with rings for about $530.00 plus tax.
This pistons are a direct replacement and made for D17 engines

 
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I have never done any block engine work before, and replacing the pistons looks like a lot for work. How many hours of labour do you think it will cost?

 
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a good mechanic can get it done in about 5-6 hours.
I bought a used short block and did everything while outside the car.
Is more fun and easy that way.(and you will still have your stock intact)
You should be able to pick one up at the junk yard by now

 
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5-6 hours, is that for remove engine, install new pistons, install engine?

Did you do anything else besides pistons?

Do you have a larger fuel pump and bigger injectors installed now?