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The Si uses Electronic Power Steering (EPS). The idler pulley is for belt routing.

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Will Hasport install K's for the public? Could you come up with a package price for everything(engine,tranny,ecu,mounts,etc) so the customer wouldn't have to try to get every little thing before driving out to your shop? I know other shops will do the swaps but it's hard to trust anyone but the best.

 
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I believe HASport stopped doing customer cars a while ago. It should say on their commonly asked questions section on their website though.

 
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Sorry we don't work on customer cars.

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Where is the K24EM2 and these mounts.........

 
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comparing the k20a2 swap to the k24 sway how would you break it down.

Cost - I know you guys have said the K24 is a lot cheaper

Availability - Again the K24

Installation - This I haven't heard anything about. How hard is it getting the 4wd into a 7th gen?

I didn't even know the K24 was possible until I found this site, thank god for 7thgencivic.com.

 
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Well getting the 4wd in the civic can be done but its not very common

As long as you get the K24 you could use whatever tranny you want. It doesn't have to be the AWD tranny

 
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Cost - K24s range form $2000 to $650. You would need a transmission to go with that, choices include transmissions from the Accord, Element, RSX, TSX and Civic Si. If you go all wheel drive then you are limited to CRV and Element.

Availability - The K24 is readily available. Honda has over 400,000 K24 powered vehicles on the road today in the US. Transmissions are a little less available becuase many of those vehicles came equipped with automatics transmissions.

Installation - With the exception of a different passenger side mount that has not been released from Hasport yet and the addition of a CRV bracket that connects to the Hasport mount, the installation is the same as for a K20 engine.

This month in Sport Compact Car there is an article on the K24 block swap and next month in Honda Tuning there is an article called K-series primer. Both are excellent sources for K-series information, and will answer a lot of questions you didn't even know you had.

brian g

 
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Very helpful for those who are trying this swap, thanks Brian G.!

 
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wow thanks alot brian g, having your infinite wisdom at our disposal is truly a blessing.

 
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Ahh so only 1 mount is different.......

ESK2 Sucka!!!!!!

 
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couple questions .....why is the k24 cheaper than the k20.........and how much more HP does the k24 hold more than k20

 
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well first of all you have to be more specific as to which k20 we are talking about. The reason teh k24 is cheaper is becuase it is in a lot more vehicles so you can find it easily and get it cheaper.

Now for power it has 160HP, so it is the same as a k20a3 but less than a k20a2 which has 200. Also the k24 has 2.4l while the k20s have 2.0l.

I learned all of this from these guys so they will be able to break it down even more if you need it.

 
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With the exception of the K24A2 in the TSX, the K24 in is a lot more available. The K20A from the RSX Type S and R are the ones getting all the good press and in demand a lot more.

As soon as someone comes out with a decent cam for the K24 I think you will be seeing comparable HP numbers to the K20A2 with better torque.

As far a holding HP, the bottom end is as strong as the K20A and by virtue of it's larger displacement will be capable of more HP. You'll need the Type S or R head.

 
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so wait do you have to use a type s or r head to do the swap or can you just swap a k24 in and use that?

I also got lost in the dispute about the height of the engine, will it fit in the 7thgens?

 
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You don't have to use the K20A or K20A2 head, but if you want more power and true IVtec, you will want the head. Also dont' forget you have to use the K20A or A2 ECU also with the head.

 
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You can use the K24 with it's stock head without problems. The key is to use the CRV K24 which doesn't have the EGR porting. That way if you want to slap a JRSC on it later no head swap is required.

Even though the K24 is 19.7mm (approx. .75") taller, height doesn't matter. You already have to remove hood support material to clear the P/S pump you may need to take a little more for the intake manifold. I won't know for sure how much until I bolt one in.

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When you bolt one in let us know!!

 
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I'll take pictures too.

brian g

 
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awesome, i look foward to seeing those.

 
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any updates brian G

yes I know I'm impatient.......

 
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Well I just bought a TSX engine and tranny. I was originally just going to put a CRV K24 in. But I haven't started yet.

brian g

 
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aww man, you have me on the edge of my seat waiting to see how this works out.

 
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I have been gone for a bit, but suprised to see no updates?! Any progress on the swap? I have got your handy work in a couple of mags this past month and got to put a picture with the name.

Just to make sure, you can retain P/S with this swap right? I was reading about a k swap into an EK i think and it said that you can't have P/S with that swap, and that is a scary thought.

Let me know how this is coming, I am very interested.

 
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The TSX engine fell through, I am trying to get another one. Slow progress there, I got strung along for a month. If not I bought an Accord engine last week and it will go in.

brian g

 
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so any reason why you don't want to use the CRV engine, i mean i can understand if you could get a hold of the TSX engine because it is faster, but is there an advantage with the Accord engine?

 
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The K24 mount is designed but I wanted to get a TSX engine so that I could design a mount for the TSX and Accord transmissions. That's the main purpose. Also in order to score another magazine article on the installation, I wanted to do something a little more different than just a K24. That helps get fresh information out for the customers. Just thinkin' of you guys.

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Oh yeah, power steering will be retained.

As for advantages of the Accord over the CRV, it's complicated. I am going to use the Accord because like the TSX it has the big honkin' intake manifold. I think it will fit with the right condensor fan. It's also cheaper. I think K24A4 are a good choice and iof they can be used with minimum modification will surpass the K20 as the swap of choice. There will also be some additional products released over the next year for K24, like a block off plate for the EGR for using the JR supercharger or type S manifold. Also there are some cam designs we need to test for both boost and NA apps.

I prefer the CRV because it lacks the EGR and you can bolt a Type S or R manifold directly to it without modification, as well as a JR supercharger. I actually have a CRV head to go on my Accord engine for hat purpose.

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Thats what I was thinking, why do some basic when you can do something even more different. I remember reading that in the article which I think was in Sports Compact, which I believe you did some contributing to or at least it echoed what you have told me on here, that the lack of the EGR makes the swap a little less complicated.

If you would make a ballpark guess and what the engine (CRV) plus the mounts and any additional components (p/s pump, hoses, etc.) would cost what would you say it is?

 
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$1500 to $2000 less than a RSX type S swap. Other than that I really haven't sat down to figure it out.

brian g