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Old Dec 4, 2003
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Im thinking about getting this done instead of turbo, what do you all think?
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Go for the turbo, u can always mess with internals later man.
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it would be better to do the internals first, and build the motor, than install the turbo....
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im talking about going all NA, with high compression pistons, and stuff, and not turbo at all
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that would be cool definately go for it..but i dunno how fast u can make our car N/A
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I believed we can make close to 200whp NA.
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don't forget an adjustable cam gear for that reground cam and a piggy back fuel system like safc or e-manage. you will need both
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your asking which to go for ? NA or Turbo?
is that what ur asking?

uhm.. ur in the Forced Induction Forum....
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Boost is more fun to drive thats why I say go turbo
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if i go NA im getting everything mentioned above also the emanage and cam gear. Dh-racing said i could put down close to 200 wheel hp. with that setup. DECISIONS DECISIONS
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u can prolly put down a lil more turbo but then its about pricing whcih is cheaper and wat u wanna spend or maybe u can even build ur motor and turbo it? i dunno tho
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Why did you post about a NA civic in the boost section? Also, NA LX Honda civic is a dumb idea. Yes, people have made it work. But you really picked a bad car to make NA. Next time try a Mustang GT or a Camaro SS. Those can be all motor. A D17 non-vtec SOHC engine? **** wanna race my moped?
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^^^^^^Don't be a d*ck. Its his choice.
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for real diemos, stfu. if he wants to go all motor and try for 200 who let him. good luck with it, sounds like it will be a good up in power, 200 whp is a stretch, but u never know.
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yeah im still deciding, i may just build the motor, and instead of high comp pistons go with low comp pistons and then turbo it.
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Originally posted by Diemos
**** wanna race my moped?
WOW, What a FUC*ING DOUCHE BAG !!
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Get both! Someday, I will join the NA elite - until than I am trying to go the turbo route.....soon....
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i say NA, mad people have turbo, i have seen a all NA car here yet, i wanna see it and what it will make power wise

all the things listed will be good for turbo later ne wayz, except high comp pistons, just change those to low comp if u get turbo, ull have the top end built already, just get low comp pistons whenever turbo comes around, ull already have the emanage which will make good with turbo

go NA first, if u dont like it GO TURBO, bc ull be pretty much there
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i say try it!! IF you got the money definately go for it. You will see gains no doubt, and if you get near 200whp i say its definately worth it. Just tell people "yea i got i/h/e, new throttle body thats about it" and you'll smoke them. And later turbo...you'll definately have a haul *** car

I've thought about n/a just building up stuff, pnp, cam gears, cams, throttle body, intake manni, but i dont know...I'm going to college next year and i might just keep my car i/h/e til i get out then start going crazy
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Im doing a k20a3 swap into my coupe. Im going to go NA with it. Im not too sure about an NA d17a2 considering its an lx non vtec sohc. But hey if youre interested in going to be selling my 02 EX Manual Tranny d17a2 soon.
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Nytryder how much you looking to sell your motor for?
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try contacting KMS. They have already built a d17 pushing just over 200 whp N.A. They also have a 100 shot on top of that. I posted pics of it here probably about a year ago. They have a website too. WWW.HONDAPERFORMANCE.COM Call them... they're happy to talk about it. It's got everything... including some really sweet individual throttle bodies.
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Originally posted by bo0sT
try contacting KMS. They have already built a d17 pushing just over 200 whp N.A. They also have a 100 shot on top of that. I posted pics of it here probably about a year ago. They have a website too. WWW.HONDAPERFORMANCE.COM Call them... they're happy to talk about it. It's got everything... including some really sweet individual throttle bodies.
So what is your take on the current situation with the intake manifold which KMS has produced?
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Originally posted by opto_isolator
So what is your take on the current situation with the intake manifold which KMS has produced?
I've been away from the forum a looooooonnnnnnngggggg time. I don't know jack crap about they're intake manifold. I know that with the design it seems it would be hard to make any gains. Then again.... since our throttle body points straight up in the air... it would be hard for anyone to try and improve on it. If you take a look at b-series intake manifolds... they have a nice foundation to work with because of the OEM design. All I know is that the custom d17 they built is bad ***. I'm personally going turbo though. I changed my mind here recently when I came back to the forum and saw the SF turbo. I'm very impressed. I don't know why anyone would go any other route besides turbo... unless they just wanted to be different.
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Before I get to my point, I must drop my pants for Diemos lease: Ok, now I can say what I want to say. Go N/A...its a ground not to many people have covered with the 7th gens and I think it would be fun to go in that direction. Like C2 said, you can always switch pistons and boost if you arent satisfied. And by that time, you'll have a built motor and you could run alot more boost than the average joe on this site. I say go N/A
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Originally posted by bo0sT
I've been away from the forum a looooooonnnnnnngggggg time. I don't know jack crap about they're intake manifold. I know that with the design it seems it would be hard to make any gains. Then again.... since our throttle body points straight up in the air... it would be hard for anyone to try and improve on it. If you take a look at b-series intake manifolds... they have a nice foundation to work with because of the OEM design. All I know is that the custom d17 they built is bad ***. I'm personally going turbo though. I changed my mind here recently when I came back to the forum and saw the SF turbo. I'm very impressed. I don't know why anyone would go any other route besides turbo... unless they just wanted to be different.
True - I believe that with a little work, the D17 can achieve similar status. If the throttle body was relocated to the side, it would probably be better, but there may be a lot of work invoved due to all of the wiring / cables....who knows, I haven't bothered to take a look that closely at it.
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don't plan on driving it every day
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Originally posted by NytRyder2k2
Im doing a k20a3 swap into my coupe. Im going to go NA with it. Im not too sure about an NA d17a2 considering its an lx non vtec sohc. But hey if youre interested in going to be selling my 02 EX Manual Tranny d17a2 soon.
You mean d17a1 right? The d17a2 is the vtec ex motor. The d17a1 is the non-vtec motor.
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i was just wondering do cam+cam gear pass smog? some people told me it can't.
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NA would be interesting, I would be interested to see what you are able to squeeze out of the D17. Why wouldn't he drive it everyday?
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