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Old Oct 25, 2003
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Anyone have ideas of new types of Forced Induction

I know that there are two basic types, the SC and the TC. Does anyone think that my idea works, or am I just kidding myself. It's kind of like the SC where the turbines are spun by the timing belts, but in instead, can the turbine somehow be attached to the axel to make them spin and forcing more air into the intake. But in order for the turbines to not spin at the same speed as the axels, I know u can use a series of gears to make them spin faster correct? Is my idea crazy? Well I'm not really an engineer or anything, but I just had a thought.

Also, I always wondered if you can use a high powered fan, like those high pressure pumps(No not like the ERAM junk) and have an additional, higher voltage power source to power them up. I guess you could use those things like NOS, turning it on with a switch when only needed so u dont use up the extra batteries in your trunk. I think this idea is kinda wasteful though.

Can compressed air be used to pump into the intake? will that increase flow intake? well I guess the answer is obvious to that, which is yes, so with that in mind, can you use a bottle of extremely compressed O2 and pump it into the intake thus having faster air flow?

Well that's all I can think of for now, probably that's it too. hehe.

Feel free to share your thoughts on this subject.
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Old Oct 25, 2003
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There is a concept called the hydrocharger where a centrifugal SC is driven hydrolicly by a pump thats driven off the engine. Since it doesnt take a lot of power to turn the pump parisitic drag on the engine is significantly less than that of a conventional sc. And since the hydrocharger isnt directly driven by the engine it can be mounted anywhere w/ in the engine bay, wich would be ideal for cramped engine bays such as that of the 7th gen civic. Unfortunatly this system isnt available yet and probibly wont be for some time.
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I have a good one......

You have a scroll with a turbine in the center, protruding slightly through a hole. This turbine would be spun by compressed and heated gasses going from a high pressure side of the turbine, to a low pressure side of it. Then the turbine would be connected to a blade via some form of intermediate shaft held together by liquid thrust bearings. These thrust bearings would have to have constant oil flow to keep the unit functioning. But the second blad would be housed inside a similar scroll to the other one, except it would be the opposide. This spinning blade would act like a fan and suck in the fresh air, and deliver it to the engine via plumbing. The only set back would be that the use of heated , compressed gasses would heat up the new intake air. So you would have to have some form of heat exchanger that the fresh air would pass through after it is compressed, but before it entered the engine. Then when you would close the throttlebody, the pressure spike may cause the blade to stall. This could theorhetically cause the thrust bearings inside the housings to be damaged and fail. So we would need some form of relief valve that would open when the pressure would spike and the manifold is in vaccum.

This device would require the modification of your exhaust manifold, and some custom cold air intake pipes. And you would also have to add more fuel due to the added air.

There are some other little things that you would have to do, but i wont go into detail about those right now.

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LET'S CALL IT A TURBINE-SCROLLAMATHINGY CHARGER

.. or for short, turbocharger
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if you figure out how much air your engine needs per second you will see that ANY fan system is not going to work. an engineer figured for a typical 4 cyl that you would need an array of 34 fans like the one in the electric boost crap device to make 1psi of boost. an engine draws ALOT of air in by itself so in order to add force to it you need to have ALOT of pressure. No leaf blower or super duper electric fan is even going to come close.

as far as inject O2.....sure it would work but your engine would run super lean and you would need to dump alot of fuel in, pure oxygen is also volatile and unpredictable chemical, you don't really want to carry it in your trunk.

N2O (NAWWWWWWS) is much better, as the nitrogen also adds a cooling effect with gives you a lot more boost in power. It's also a much more predictable chemical and does have the little bit of added oxygen which you hvae ot compensate for in fuel.

compressed air would work, but your problem is going to be that a tank pressurized at even 3000+psi is going ot have a hard time deliverying the amount of air you need to the engine. ie only so much air can LEAVE a tank through the opening and you need ALOT of air to leave at once. Also you would use up your tank of compressed are in seconds and need to refill, not very practical. Not to mention you don't want a tank of anything compressed at 1000's of psi in your trunk, if burst in a wreck that would become a VERY VERY powerful missle.
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