DIY: K20 Swap into 2001+ Civic(EM2) COMING SOON!
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DIY: K20 Swap into 2001+ Civic(EM2) COMING SOON!
well...it is a work in progress.. i have all the parts sitting at my shop and ready to be put into my car.. i will have pictures posted up on monday of all the parts... the only thing i am waiting for is the shifter assembly and cables from acura.. other than that its ready to go in... ETA on motor going in is this monday the June 6... which will be complemented with pictures of all the parts needed and step by step stuff of the motor going in with pics and how i did the wiring and any other things i might come across during the swap... if anyone wants to give me some heads up on the swap before hand i would really appreciate it as to i can add to the DIY..just for kicks here is some pics of the motor.. its a Euro Type R k20a





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DIY: K20 Swap into 2001+ Civic(EM2)
According to HASPORT.. These are the stuffs you will need
Parts needed:
Complete k20 motor changeover
intermediate shaft
subframe from a rsx or 02+si
Hasport Mount Kit.. (other companies make em to)
Hasport Wire Harness Conversion (I wont be using this, i will attpemt to wire it myself)
parts needed from an RSX:
shifter assembly and cables
throttle cable
fuel line
brake booster line
purge line
clutch lines from master to slave cylinder
high pressure power steering hose
power steering return line
parts needed from an 02+ civic si:
ac line from compressor to condenser
axles
radiator and fans (RSX will fit but need trimming)
upper and lower radiator hoses
other stuff you will need:
90 accord negative battery
custom hood latch
custom ac line from compressor to condensor
92-95 power steering resevoir with bracket
TO BE CONTINUED ONCE I HAVE MORE STUFF TO POST
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DIY: K20 Swap into 2001+ Civic(EM2)
According to HASPORT.. These are the stuffs you will need
Parts needed:
Complete k20 motor changeover
intermediate shaft
subframe from a rsx or 02+si
Hasport Mount Kit.. (other companies make em to)
Hasport Wire Harness Conversion (I wont be using this, i will attpemt to wire it myself)
parts needed from an RSX:
shifter assembly and cables
throttle cable
fuel line
brake booster line
purge line
clutch lines from master to slave cylinder
high pressure power steering hose
power steering return line
parts needed from an 02+ civic si:
ac line from compressor to condenser
axles
radiator and fans (RSX will fit but need trimming)
upper and lower radiator hoses
other stuff you will need:
90 accord negative battery
custom hood latch
custom ac line from compressor to condensor
92-95 power steering resevoir with bracket
TO BE CONTINUED ONCE I HAVE MORE STUFF TO POST
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Originally Posted by doubledeuce2k2
so is that the same basic engine as the k20a2 USDM? or is it 11.5:1, LSD, and all those other goodies of the JDM k20a?
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likes similar to the base RSX motor, with the plastic intake manifold. Does it use the same dual runner intake manifold as the base RSX? But have similar to a type S head?
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Originally Posted by atl01
likes similar to the base RSX motor, with the plastic intake manifold. Does it use the same dual runner intake manifold as the base RSX? But have similar to a type S head?
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close... more like closer to the A2.. basically what i said in the previous post
"supposedly this engine puts out more HP than the TYPE S but less HP than the TYPE R.....but at the same time this motor puts out more TORQUE than the TYPE R"
"supposedly this engine puts out more HP than the TYPE S but less HP than the TYPE R.....but at the same time this motor puts out more TORQUE than the TYPE R"
eh ... that's a k20a3 motor man ...
I realize it has real vtec on the intake side, but it doesn't have any on the exhaust side ... plastic intake mani.
I'm not exactly sure why there are 3 lobes on the intake cam and none on the exhaust cam ... I saw those same pics on clubrsx, but I can't find the thread.
edit: nevermind, I found the thread ... and it's by you:
http://forums.clubrsx.com/showthread...5&page=1&pp=25
edit again: I read the thread and thread the link to the Malaysia/Thailand K20a's ... they are automatic trannies and their engine puts out 155 ps, which is about 149 hp.............
I realize it has real vtec on the intake side, but it doesn't have any on the exhaust side ... plastic intake mani.
I'm not exactly sure why there are 3 lobes on the intake cam and none on the exhaust cam ... I saw those same pics on clubrsx, but I can't find the thread.
edit: nevermind, I found the thread ... and it's by you:
http://forums.clubrsx.com/showthread...5&page=1&pp=25
edit again: I read the thread and thread the link to the Malaysia/Thailand K20a's ... they are automatic trannies and their engine puts out 155 ps, which is about 149 hp.............
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hey aznboysrfr....first off did you look at the engine code on my motor?? a k20a3 has 2 intake lobes and says k20a3 on the block.. i know this cause i have another k20 which is the A3....did you fully read the clubrsx topic??....if you have then you would have known that the motor i have doesnt even match the specs of the motor in that discussion of the malaysia if you read all of the posts... the malaysia motor does not have dual runner intakes and the motor that they has is an automatic.. i have a 6 speed.... the only thing that discussion has that even comes close to matching what i have is the head.. so be careful on what you say before posting it.. get the facts straight... and i quote some things i say from there on post #41-----
"""yea but the article still leaves a bunch of things unanswered.. it explains the 3lobes but doesnt exlpain the rest.. the motor that they have in malaysia and thailand is a k20a with single runner intakes.. here read this taken from the article
"The K20A uses a single runner intake manifold design. The runner lengths are tuned for optimal torque at high rpm to complement the wild intake cams for 'VTEC-on' operation. Visually the intake manifold used in this K20A is the same design as those on the EP3 Civic Type-R and DC5 Integra Type-R but with a smaller throttle body and quite probably with smaller inner dimensions as well"... upon closer insepction mines comes with dual runners if you look at the pictures
second the motor that they have there comes with (according to the article) "The gearbox is a Grades Logic Control equipped 5 speed unit equipped with Progressive Shift technology which helps to ensure seamless and very smooth gear changes. The gearbox incidently is the source of a lot of debates amongst enthusiasts. While it offers 5 gears and thus a lot more flexibility than normal 4ATs, the issue lies in its gear ratios. The ratios are 2.684, 1.500, 0.983, 0.733, and 0.571 for 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 5th gears respectively. The final drive's ratio is 4.562."... basically an automatic with those dang push shifters... my motor came with a 6 speed tranny
next there motor in malaysia comes with power assisted steering quoted here
"Coming to the rest of the car, the K20A Civic comes fully spec'ed as is the norm with cars marketed by Honda Malaysia. In addition to the now standard set of ABS, EBD, BA and dual-SRS, the K20A Civic additionally has EPS (electrical power steering) similar to the City and Jazz.".. then even post a picture next to it

my motor has the full powersteering pump and not the assist as they have stated..."""
and to conform the findings i actually brought the motor down to acura and they have verified its a motor from europe.. heres what they found out
compressions ratio is 11:1
since the head was off they also found out the bore 87mm with a displacement of 1998cc...
tranny gearings are the same as the type S
they had this motor in there hands for 5 days before i got it back from them... while they were at it they changed the oil and oil filter and checked the cams to make sure it was still in working order
"""yea but the article still leaves a bunch of things unanswered.. it explains the 3lobes but doesnt exlpain the rest.. the motor that they have in malaysia and thailand is a k20a with single runner intakes.. here read this taken from the article
"The K20A uses a single runner intake manifold design. The runner lengths are tuned for optimal torque at high rpm to complement the wild intake cams for 'VTEC-on' operation. Visually the intake manifold used in this K20A is the same design as those on the EP3 Civic Type-R and DC5 Integra Type-R but with a smaller throttle body and quite probably with smaller inner dimensions as well"... upon closer insepction mines comes with dual runners if you look at the pictures
second the motor that they have there comes with (according to the article) "The gearbox is a Grades Logic Control equipped 5 speed unit equipped with Progressive Shift technology which helps to ensure seamless and very smooth gear changes. The gearbox incidently is the source of a lot of debates amongst enthusiasts. While it offers 5 gears and thus a lot more flexibility than normal 4ATs, the issue lies in its gear ratios. The ratios are 2.684, 1.500, 0.983, 0.733, and 0.571 for 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 5th gears respectively. The final drive's ratio is 4.562."... basically an automatic with those dang push shifters... my motor came with a 6 speed tranny
next there motor in malaysia comes with power assisted steering quoted here
"Coming to the rest of the car, the K20A Civic comes fully spec'ed as is the norm with cars marketed by Honda Malaysia. In addition to the now standard set of ABS, EBD, BA and dual-SRS, the K20A Civic additionally has EPS (electrical power steering) similar to the City and Jazz.".. then even post a picture next to it

my motor has the full powersteering pump and not the assist as they have stated..."""
and to conform the findings i actually brought the motor down to acura and they have verified its a motor from europe.. heres what they found out
compressions ratio is 11:1
since the head was off they also found out the bore 87mm with a displacement of 1998cc...
tranny gearings are the same as the type S
they had this motor in there hands for 5 days before i got it back from them... while they were at it they changed the oil and oil filter and checked the cams to make sure it was still in working order
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i just wrote up this long *** post why this is a a3 engine, but eh, lets see what you find out. let see if you can dyno past me. i also realise that it is from europe, but those engines never say what it is. they always just say the engine type.
the euro r's have a 87 mm bore and 86 stroke.... maby the only thing that sucks about this motor is that you have no aftermarket support from our usdm and jdm manufacturers. you would need custom cams, pistons for the 87 bore(not too hard to get)
maby the only thing you can maby do is a ecu upgrade, bolt-ons, and/or a turbo kit.
the euro r's have a 87 mm bore and 86 stroke.... maby the only thing that sucks about this motor is that you have no aftermarket support from our usdm and jdm manufacturers. you would need custom cams, pistons for the 87 bore(not too hard to get)
maby the only thing you can maby do is a ecu upgrade, bolt-ons, and/or a turbo kit.
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Originally Posted by HondaLuver
i just wrote up this long *** post why this is a a3 engine, but eh, lets see what you find out. let see if you can dyno past me. i also realise that it is from europe, but those engines never say what it is. they always just say the engine type.
the euro r's have a 87 mm bore and 86 stroke.... maby the only thing that sucks about this motor is that you have no aftermarket support from our usdm and jdm manufacturers. you would need custom cams, pistons for the 87 bore(not too hard to get)
maby the only thing you can maby do is a ecu upgrade, bolt-ons, and/or a turbo kit.
the euro r's have a 87 mm bore and 86 stroke.... maby the only thing that sucks about this motor is that you have no aftermarket support from our usdm and jdm manufacturers. you would need custom cams, pistons for the 87 bore(not too hard to get)
maby the only thing you can maby do is a ecu upgrade, bolt-ons, and/or a turbo kit.
skunk2 valves, spring and retainers
IPS stage 2 cams
and either a skunk2 intake manifold or ITB's
but i also forgot to mention that acura said the head has LOST MOTION ASSEMBLYS and if i wanted to i could put the TYPE S exhaust rocker and cam assembly... this was also said by other people who PM'ed me on clubrsx... but why spend the extra money to do that when i am putting a new head on there anyways
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hey aznboysrfr....first off did you look at the engine code on my motor?? a k20a3 has 2 intake lobes and says k20a3 on the block.. i know this cause i have another k20 which is the A3....did you fully read the clubrsx topic??....if you have then you would have known that the motor i have doesnt even match the specs of the motor in that discussion of the malaysia if you read all of the posts... the malaysia motor does not have dual runner intakes and the motor that they has is an automatic.. i have a 6 speed.... the only thing that discussion has that even comes close to matching what i have is the head.. so be careful on what you say before posting it.. get the facts straight... and i quote some things i say from there on post #41-----
and to conform the findings i actually brought the motor down to acura and they have verified its a motor from europe.. heres what they found out
compressions ratio is 11:1
since the head was off they also found out the bore 87mm with a displacement of 1998cc...
tranny gearings are the same as the type S
they had this motor in there hands for 5 days before i got it back from them... while they were at it they changed the oil and oil filter and checked the cams to make sure it was still in working order
and to conform the findings i actually brought the motor down to acura and they have verified its a motor from europe.. heres what they found out
compressions ratio is 11:1
since the head was off they also found out the bore 87mm with a displacement of 1998cc...
tranny gearings are the same as the type S
they had this motor in there hands for 5 days before i got it back from them... while they were at it they changed the oil and oil filter and checked the cams to make sure it was still in working order
I don't know why you were mentioning about the Euro type r manifold ... the one for the euro ctr is metal and the one I am seeing in your pics is plastic.
I highly, highly, highly doubt that the euro ctr motor will have a plastic manifold ... and I highly doubt that the exhaust cam would not have vtec on it. It doesn't make sense.
Yes, I did read the engine block code. The "premium" Integra in Japan is also stamped K20a, but that doesn't mean it's the dc5r motor.
don't bash me on the tranny information since you did not mention anything about a tranny in your first post.
lastly ... your motor is missing a red valve cover ... it's definitely not from any type r.
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well before you go saying this mototr sucks this and that for one its way better than a D17.. if you dont agree with that then there is something wrong... second im not to worried on the block and pistons... like you said they already make pistons with the 87 bore for i have already done the research but im not switching out the pistons anyways... as for the head i am not to worried cause i do have a type s head in my garage that i am building.. basically the head will consist of
skunk2 valves, spring and retainers
IPS stage 2 cams
and either a skunk2 intake manifold or ITB's
but i also forgot to mention that acura said the head has LOST MOTION ASSEMBLYS and if i wanted to i could put the TYPE S exhaust rocker and cam assembly... this was also said by other people who PM'ed me on clubrsx... but why spend the extra money to do that when i am putting a new head on there anyways
skunk2 valves, spring and retainers
IPS stage 2 cams
and either a skunk2 intake manifold or ITB's
but i also forgot to mention that acura said the head has LOST MOTION ASSEMBLYS and if i wanted to i could put the TYPE S exhaust rocker and cam assembly... this was also said by other people who PM'ed me on clubrsx... but why spend the extra money to do that when i am putting a new head on there anyways
the only way to find out is to rip it apart yourself or dyno it ... I wouldn't trust what acura has to say
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Hey xproduction, i've been really busy lately to be able to get a hold of you again. I still havent recieved any confirmation on my rear lip. My email is jspek_Inspired@hotmail.com. so please get back to me on that. I've been waiting quite some time now for it.
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i trust acura.. especially when 6 of the mechanics/techs there are your homeboys since high school and they were the ones that ripped it apart.. thats the only reason why i would go... other than that i would have done it at my own shop.. that why i get my honda parts half price.. well most of it anyways.. like my subframe for example.. they sell it for $700 but i got it for $250 brand new... so no biggie... and if you read the post carefully i was saying that he has to at least agree with me the k20 is better than the D17 because he seems to disagree on everything else
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i was thinking.... i remember that one of my friends told me that on race engines there is no small lob, only high-end lobes, because there is no point in the car being on low cam when racing. maby thats is this engine?
Re: DIY: K20 Swap into 2001+ Civic(EM2) COMING SOON!
hate to tell you this , but the stamp means nothing. the euro and jap engines never have a number after the number , common knoledge really. its a VTEC-E engine. its a base model DC5 engine dude , period. still an upgrade though for sure.
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IBTL.....dang dude.. this thread is 2 years old... already figured out what it was 2 years ago.... not to mention this thread evovled into the sticky thread up top which is not the real DIY k20/k24.... the motor put out 201hp to the wheel..
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