MadWheel

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****UPDATE****
REFER TO POST 13 FOR THE BIG WRITE UP/FUTURE DIY.


Ok guys I've been at this numerous times and have done a lot of research. I have the exact same settings as dezod and he said it works perfect. I check jumpers and switches at least 5 times now, and have rewired it already.

After an ECU reset, I make sure the emanage is set properly with my support tool. Everything is reading ok, sensors working, tach working etc...

Start the car, perfect idle. No CEL. Within 2-3 min of idling it becomes really rough, almost dies then revs to about 3k. CEL comes on but shuts off after I kill the engine, and the code the emanage reads is 14 (VTEC Signal Input Error - JP4).

I uploaded a diagram I made on paint on my EXACT settings. Please chime in on any updates, I daily drive this thing and am running out of wire to cut. Thanks.

dezod

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Joe I had a similar problem. I'll pull open the E-manage and tell you my jumpers in a bit. Busy right now.

MadWheel

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Thanks man, just give me a call, if you get my voicemail just call back in a couple, my phone's been going in and out of service.
I'll be checking my settings again in the meantime, and if worse comes to worse, I'll wire it without VTEC control, although that'll take even more jumpers... argh... lol

MadWheel

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I changed 1 setting but got the same thing, I had the airflow adjustment setting on, even though it's map... But because it was making 0 adjustments no biggy...

That's off now, the only parameters enabled are VTEC and the Greddy Pressure sensor (which is installed and working).

MadWheel

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Here's what it's set to...

MadWheel

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Anyone else have input on this? I have no car to drive till this is resolved, been stuck at my house. Cleaning my garage to kill time till someone know's what's up.

Thanks guys.

MadWheel

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Anyone?

opto_isolator

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1. Check the firmware verson - Version 1.39 is the latest.

2. Check the value of the various sensors with the logging feature and see what they do.

3. Not that its a big deal, but your A.A.V. setting at point RPM point 2000 is not zeroed....best to zero it.

4. You stated it was a vtec error. What are the settings for the vtec in the emanage? If the deadband is set wrong, it will give you an error!

5. What is your wiring (ie where does it go) connected to?

MadWheel

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I already updated the software, and the firmware. I confirmed it being v1.39 (the update was meant for karmon type sensors i think)...

The VTEC settings are as follows...
4200 LO-HI
4000 HI-LO

No air/fuel corrections with VTEC.

As of right now I am only using the main harness. I figure I'd start with that and work my way into the more complex stuff. It's running through the center console, with the leads soldered about 4" from the ecu.

MadWheel

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"JP4 airflow/VTEC input select
1-2 VTEC
2-3 2nd airflow meter
* Even if you don't have a 2nd airflow meter, leave it on 2-3 for non-
VTEC applications
* On 1-2, enables pulldown resistor (for use as VTM signal). This is
required because the VTM output is inverted with the VTEC out."

-Quoted from dezod's write up.

What concerns me is that my JP4 setup is either 1-2 (shorted) or just leaving it open. I don't have the option to set it to 2-3. Anyone care to explain this?

brad M

I found that we can't use emange to control VTEC. Don't even wire up the VTEC solenoid or the pressure switch. If you where to put a volt meter on the wire B15 i belive or right to the VTEC solenoid you would see that the VTEC could kick in at 2500-3500RPM. I'am running emange with no problems on N/A motor. If you would like my setting's just private message me.

MadWheel

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You have PM.

MadWheel

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Ok guys, because Greddy has no idea how to translate things into English or write a working manual, many of us have had problems. Optoisolator and boosted2k2 have both got it to work great, BUT they have LX's. This is good and all, but they are wired completely different (except for the TPS, power, and ground). The jumpers are also VERY different.

Here's what you want to wire:

Emanage:-------------ECU:

Red ---- +12VDC-----Yelow w/Black stripe (pinout 2, connector A)
Black ---- GND--------Black (pinout 4, connector A)
Brown----RPM--------Blue (pinout 7 on connector A)
*Grey------TPS---------Red w/Black stripe (pinout 15 on connector A)
White---Map Input--Green w/red stripe (pin 19, conn A, away from ECU)
Green---Map Out----Green w/red stripe (pin 19, conn A, TO ECU)
**Yellow--VTEC IN-----Green w/yellow stripe (pin 15, conn B, TO ECU)
**Lt. Blue-VTEC OUT--Green w/yellow stripe (pin 15, conn B, AWAY from ECU
Purple---VTM Out----Blue w/black stripe (Pin 9, Conn B, TO ECU, cut and terminate signal from engine, the purple wire is to be soldered directly to the blue/blk wire going into the ECU. Tape off the cut part of the wire that is no longer connected to the ECU.

* - Greddy left the gray wire out of the wiring instructions. This is your throttle position signal.
** - THIS IS WHY MY CAR WAS MESSED UP. Greddy wrote the directions BACKWARDS for VTEC cars. Reverse what they say and you'll be golden.


Ok, after wiring in the harness, you need to set your Emanage switches and jumpers. You could have done this before the wiring, but it really doesn't matter yet.

Jumper settings:
JP1: 1-2
JP2: 1-2
JP3: 2-3
JP4: 1-2
JP5: see writeup...
JP6: (1-2) but because I didn't select them on the maps, it throws no codes
JP7: OPEN

---For jumpers 5 and 6, this is for sub injector controlling. I have mine enabled (1-2) but because I chose not to select the maps in the support tool software, it isn't doing anything differently. I did this because if I do use it as an injector controller, I don't have to open it back up again later to mess with the jumpers.

ROTARY Switches:

This has been debated/discussed for quite some time. 4-8-C works great on DX's and LXs, but within 2 hits of VTEC you have a CEL and an engine in limp mode. 4-8-E works VERY well. No codes, smooth idle, VTEC adjustment. This is the switch settings that you WANT for any 01-04 EX civic. It has been tried on my 5-speed boosted EX, and Dezod's currently NA Auto EX. So there's no debate that this setting won't work with an EX. It works flawlessly.

Suggestions: Buy an OBDII scanner (you can find them at autozone). It will come in handy and help you trouble shoot any problems you may have. Solder all of your connections. Don't take shortcuts but crimping unless it's only a temp thing. Soldering is the way to go, why risk it? I mounted my emanage in my center console behind the shifter. Very easy access and the wire lenghts are absolutely perfect.

That about sums it up. MAD PROPS TO DEZOD. He's the guy who went through all this hassle for 2 days on his own car to figure this out, and looked up quite a bit.

Here's some links for you guys:

Upgrade your firmware to V1.39 here:
FIRMWARE
Upgrade your Emanage software to V1.11 here:
SOFTWARE

Here's a pic of the mounted Emanage. Thanks again to Dezod for his support. Hopfully this writeup that took me over 30 min to do helps people out in the future. Good luck guys!

MadWheel

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This is cited off of a FAQ written by Dale Clark.

After downloading the files listed above, and following the directions on where to put them, follow these directions to update your Emanage without ruining it. It is stressed in the FAQ to only export date this ONE TIME. After that, you may import and then use that to make changes, but it automatically upates changes on the emanage without having to export.

3) Bring up your support tool to ONLINE
4) Go to COMMUNICATION and click on MAIN UNIT UPDATE
5) When it prompts you to TURN OFF MAIN UNIT, turn your key to OFF
position.
6) Click OK
7) Turn ignition to ON
8) Bring up your support tool to ONLINE.
9) Go to SETTINGS and click on PARAMETER SETTINGS
10) Make all your changes and select relevant maps. If you do not have
the additional harnesses, check the "Air Flow Adjustment Map". Also set
your Throttle Setting.
11) Click on CONFIRM. It will pop up asking you to turn off ignition
once. Go ahead and turn ignition to OFF. Click OK.
12) Turn ignition to ON. Reconnect support tool so it is ONLINE.
13) Go to COMMUNICATION and then click on EXPORT DATA.
14) Once that is done, click on CONFIRM for any pop ups you get. Then
turn the ignition to OFF.
15) Turn the ignition to ON and proceed to turn the car ON.


LINK TO FAQ - Anyone with an Emanage should read this.

dezod

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MAD, I am going to sticky this and make it a DYI between the 2 of us.

dezod

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I pm'd a SUPER moderator.

HyaBoosta

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sounds good guys im looking to get an emanage rather than a safc because i know with the ignition harness and the precise fuel setting the emanage is a precise tool and now you guys locked me in since you got it up and running on an ex. Props. your my heros. any way to take some final screen shots of the setting and the install of the wiring itself?

MadWheel

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I will do so either sometime today or DEF by tomorrow.

The wiring is kinda hard to distinguish things. But I'll try to make a big diagram that CORRECTLY shows how to wire this thing.

taz757

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So, would you recommend an e-manage or a VAFC2 or possibly even both? I've been thinking about getting the VAFC2 for awhile now, but not too sure.

MadWheel

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I showed this above... This is the correct settings. You should see this when you click on main unit settings.

MadWheel

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oh yeah, ignore that A.A.V. value. Yours should be all 0.

MadWheel

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Depends on your mods. I had the VAFC2 before and loved it. It's a great SIMPLE unit. For fuel and VTEC only, the VAFC2 is a nice piece. But if you want even more fuel adjustment, and the ability to control ignition timing, injector pulse, sub injectors, and fuel-by-boost tuning, the Emanage is for you.

dezod

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e-MANAGE it's self is ok. The Suport Tool is what makes it shine. THAT is what makes that unit. The ease of control is nice. It takes a little getting used to, but works great.

dezod

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Sorry Neon.................

dezod

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Thanks Neon!

NaSh123

sorry most likely a stupid question...but whats the point of the emanage? any reason to get it if ur completely stock or its only useful after you get mods....

MadWheel

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I'll answer that question later.

But what didn't make sense to me before has proved to be and issue. The car runs great. But notice in that last attatchment there was nothing in the fourth box. It has to say VTM because that's what switches over the VTEC. Problem is, when you do this, VTEC fails and you get a CEL. 4-8-E works because there's no VTEC being engaged on the motor, even though the emanage thinks it's engaged. I can't even peel out in 1st gear because of this, and that's the same boost I was peeling out before the install in second gear.

I'll mess with the settings more tomorrow and thursday and let you guys know what my conclusion is. Sorry for the inconvenience.

HyaBoosta

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thanks for the heads up. I hope everything works out. But wouldn't the VTEC not engauging be like having a VTEC eliminating cam? i thought not having vtec is better for boost?(guess not sincce you can't spin first)

MadWheel

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It's better if you have a cam meant for not having VTEC. But when the 1st cam is a grind for lower rpms, you still need something for the top end.

I messed with thtis thing all morning, with diff rotary settings, software settings, and whatnot... Nothing but problems. 4-8-E is no VTEC but the engine runs incredibly well at low-mid rpms. I'll be resetting the emanage and wiring it to only control fuel and timing. I liked where my stock VTEC was and didn't have intentions on changing it anyway. I'll post up more updates again.

HyaBoosta

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oh so the only reason that the vtec was having problem is because you were using the vtec engaugment controller?