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i got a exhaust ticket again last night, and this time i had the silencer insert and it doesn't even sound that loud. and i don't have my HID's anymore... wtf... stupid old town pasadena, and this is the 3rd ticket in the same exact place... wtf... and its the only entrance when i go to work at the club. he said it was modified and thats illegal even if its not loud
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if you have a quality exhaust it would be carb exempt and if you had the silencer inserted then you can take it to a shop like it is and have em write that yes its a legal exhaust. if its not then you are screwed lol
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if you have a quality exhaust it would be carb exempt and if you had the silencer inserted then you can take it to a shop like it is and have em write that yes its a legal exhaust. if its not then you are screwed lol
It doesnt matter if its a "quality exhaust." If you ever buy one brand new, you will see on the box "For off-road use only" thus absolving them from any responsiblity from violations. It is assumed that you always buy your parts brand new, and know what is and is not "For off-road use only."

Vehicle Code 27150 states: Every motor vehicle subject to registration shall at all times be equipped with an adequate muffler in constant operation and properly maintained to prevent any excessive or unusual noise, and no muffler or exhaust system shall be equipped with a cutout, bypass, or similar device.

Vehicle Code 27151 states: No person shall modify the exhaust system of a motor vehicle in a manner which will amplify or increase the noise emitted by the motor of the vehicle so that the vehicle is not in compliance with the provisions of Section 27150 or exceeds the noise limits established for the type of vehicle in Article 2.5 (commencing with Section 27200). No person shall operate a motor vehicle with an exhaust system so modified.

So . . . in cliff notes: You modify your exhaust system in any way that makes it louder than stock, you can get cited at any time at any place.

If you're gonna break the law, you better know the law.
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same with me, the cop pulled me over stating it was illegal to have any sort of modified exhaust, however, when he left he told me to, "just put on a silencer." wtf
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oh arent the like hks, greddy, etc. street legal though?

im in PA, and I drive an auto lx so no use for me to change the exhaust. im not going to. anyway im not sure how your laws are just asking.
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he said it doesn't matter, its illegal, but why does the law state

VEHICLE CODE
SECTION 27150-27159





27150. (a) Every motor vehicle subject to registration shall at all
times be equipped with an adequate muffler in constant operation and
properly maintained to prevent any excessive or unusual noise, and
no muffler or exhaust system shall be equipped with a cutout, bypass,
or similar device.
(b) Except as provided in Division 16.5 (commencing with Section
38000) with respect to off-highway motor vehicles subject to
identification, every passenger vehicle operated off the highways
shall at all times be equipped with an adequate muffler in constant
operation and properly maintained so as to meet the requirements of
Article 2.5 (commencing with Section 27200), and no muffler or
exhaust system shall be equipped with a cutout, bypass, or similar
device.
(c) The provisions of subdivision (b) shall not be applicable to
passenger vehicles being operated off the highways in an organized
racing or competitive event conducted under the auspices of a
recognized sanctioning body or by permit issued by the local
governmental authority having jurisdiction.



27150.1. No person engaged in a business that involves the selling
of motor vehicle exhaust systems, or parts thereof, including, but
not limited to, mufflers, shall offer for sale, sell, or install, a
motor vehicle exhaust system, or part thereof, including, but not
limited to, a muffler, unless it meets the regulations and standards
applicable pursuant to this article. Motor vehicle exhaust systems
or parts thereof include, but are not limited to, nonoriginal exhaust
equipment.

A violation of this section is a misdemeanor.



27150.2. (a) Stations providing referee functions pursuant to
Section 44036 of the Health and Safety Code shall provide for the
testing of vehicular exhaust systems and the issuance of certificates
of compliance only for those vehicles that have received a citation
for a violation of Section 27150 or 27151.
(b) A certificate of compliance for a vehicular exhaust system
shall be issued pursuant to subdivision (a) if the vehicle complies
with Sections 27150 and 27151. Exhaust systems installed on motor
vehicles, other than motorcycles, with a manufacturer's gross vehicle
weight rating of less than 6,000 pounds comply with Sections 27150
and 27151 if they emit no more than 95 dbA when tested in accordance
with Society of Automotive Engineers Standard J1169 May 1998.

(c) An exhaust system certificate of compliance issued pursuant to
subdivision (a) shall identify, to the extent possible, the make,
model, year, license number, and vehicle identification number of the
vehicle tested, and the make and model of the exhaust system
installed on the vehicle.
(d) The station shall charge a fee for the exhaust system
certificate of compliance issued pursuant to subdivision (a). The
fee charged shall be calculated to recover the costs incurred by the
Department of Consumer Affairs to implement this section. The fees
charged by the station shall be deposited in the Vehicle Inspection
and Repair Fund established by Section 44062 of the Health and Safety
Code.
(e) Vehicular exhaust systems are exempt from the requirements of
Sections 27150 and 27151 if compliance with those sections, or the
regulations adopted pursuant thereto, would cause an unreasonable
hardship without resulting in a sufficient corresponding benefit with
respect to noise level control.




27150.3. (a) A person may not modify the exhaust system of a motor
vehicle with a whistle-tip.
(b) A person may not operate a motor vehicle if that vehicle's
exhaust system is modified in violation of subdivision (a).
(c) A person may not engage in the business of installing a
whistle-tip onto a motor vehicle's exhaust system.
(d) For purposes of subdivisions (a) and (c), a "whistle-tip" is a
device that is applied to, or is a modification of, a motor vehicle'
s exhaust pipe for the sole purpose of creating a high-pitched or
shrieking noise when the motor vehicle is operated.



27150.5. Any person holding a retail seller's permit who sells or
installs an exhaust system, or part thereof, including, but not
limited to, a muffler, in violation of Section 27150.1 or 27150.2 or
the regulations adopted pursuant thereto, shall thereafter be
required to install an exhaust system, or part thereof, including,
but not limited to, a muffler, which is in compliance with such
regulations upon demand of the purchaser or registered owner of the
vehicle concerned, or to reimburse the purchaser or registered owner
for the expense of replacement and installation of an exhaust system,
or part thereof, including, but not limited to, a muffler, which is
in compliance, at the election of such purchaser or registered owner.




27150.7. A court may dismiss any action in which a person is
prosecuted for operating a vehicle in violation of Section 27150 or
27151 if a certificate of compliance has been issued by a station
pursuant to Section 27150.2, or if the defendant had reasonable
grounds to believe that the exhaust system was in good working order
and had reasonable grounds to believe that the vehicle was not
operated in violation of Section 27150 or 27151.



27151. (a) No person shall modify the exhaust system of a motor
vehicle in a manner which will amplify or increase the noise emitted
by the motor of the vehicle so that the vehicle is not in compliance
with the provisions of Section 27150 or exceeds the noise limits
established for the type of vehicle in Article 2.5 (commencing with
Section 27200). No person shall operate a motor vehicle with an
exhaust system so modified.
(b) For the purposes of exhaust systems installed on motor
vehicles with a manufacturer's gross vehicle weight rating of less
than 6,000 pounds, other than motorcycles, a sound level of 95 dbA or
less, when tested in accordance with Society of Automotive Engineers
Standard J1169 May 1998, complies with this section. Motor vehicle
exhaust systems or parts thereof include, but are not limited to,
nonoriginal exhaust equipment.
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yeah some cops will say ANY modified exhaust is illegal but i think its bs...
as long as it passes smog and doesnt go over the sound limit you should be able to fight it.
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dude, just give up and sell me your car
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Originally Posted by HondaLuver
he said it doesn't matter, its illegal, but why does the law state

VEHICLE CODE
SECTION 27150-27159





27150. (a) Every motor vehicle subject to registration shall at all
times be equipped with an adequate muffler in constant operation and
properly maintained to prevent any excessive or unusual noise, and
no muffler or exhaust system shall be equipped with a cutout, bypass,
or similar device.
(b) Except as provided in Division 16.5 (commencing with Section
38000) with respect to off-highway motor vehicles subject to
identification, every passenger vehicle operated off the highways
shall at all times be equipped with an adequate muffler in constant
operation and properly maintained so as to meet the requirements of
Article 2.5 (commencing with Section 27200), and no muffler or
exhaust system shall be equipped with a cutout, bypass, or similar
device.
(c) The provisions of subdivision (b) shall not be applicable to
passenger vehicles being operated off the highways in an organized
racing or competitive event conducted under the auspices of a
recognized sanctioning body or by permit issued by the local
governmental authority having jurisdiction.



27150.1. No person engaged in a business that involves the selling
of motor vehicle exhaust systems, or parts thereof, including, but
not limited to, mufflers, shall offer for sale, sell, or install, a
motor vehicle exhaust system, or part thereof, including, but not
limited to, a muffler, unless it meets the regulations and standards
applicable pursuant to this article. Motor vehicle exhaust systems
or parts thereof include, but are not limited to, nonoriginal exhaust
equipment.

A violation of this section is a misdemeanor.



27150.2. (a) Stations providing referee functions pursuant to
Section 44036 of the Health and Safety Code shall provide for the
testing of vehicular exhaust systems and the issuance of certificates
of compliance only for those vehicles that have received a citation
for a violation of Section 27150 or 27151.
(b) A certificate of compliance for a vehicular exhaust system
shall be issued pursuant to subdivision (a) if the vehicle complies
with Sections 27150 and 27151. Exhaust systems installed on motor
vehicles, other than motorcycles, with a manufacturer's gross vehicle
weight rating of less than 6,000 pounds comply with Sections 27150
and 27151 if they emit no more than 95 dbA when tested in accordance
with Society of Automotive Engineers Standard J1169 May 1998.

(c) An exhaust system certificate of compliance issued pursuant to
subdivision (a) shall identify, to the extent possible, the make,
model, year, license number, and vehicle identification number of the
vehicle tested, and the make and model of the exhaust system
installed on the vehicle.
(d) The station shall charge a fee for the exhaust system
certificate of compliance issued pursuant to subdivision (a). The
fee charged shall be calculated to recover the costs incurred by the
Department of Consumer Affairs to implement this section. The fees
charged by the station shall be deposited in the Vehicle Inspection
and Repair Fund established by Section 44062 of the Health and Safety
Code.
(e) Vehicular exhaust systems are exempt from the requirements of
Sections 27150 and 27151 if compliance with those sections, or the
regulations adopted pursuant thereto, would cause an unreasonable
hardship without resulting in a sufficient corresponding benefit with
respect to noise level control.




27150.3. (a) A person may not modify the exhaust system of a motor
vehicle with a whistle-tip.
(b) A person may not operate a motor vehicle if that vehicle's
exhaust system is modified in violation of subdivision (a).
(c) A person may not engage in the business of installing a
whistle-tip onto a motor vehicle's exhaust system.
(d) For purposes of subdivisions (a) and (c), a "whistle-tip" is a
device that is applied to, or is a modification of, a motor vehicle'
s exhaust pipe for the sole purpose of creating a high-pitched or
shrieking noise when the motor vehicle is operated.



27150.5. Any person holding a retail seller's permit who sells or
installs an exhaust system, or part thereof, including, but not
limited to, a muffler, in violation of Section 27150.1 or 27150.2 or
the regulations adopted pursuant thereto, shall thereafter be
required to install an exhaust system, or part thereof, including,
but not limited to, a muffler, which is in compliance with such
regulations upon demand of the purchaser or registered owner of the
vehicle concerned, or to reimburse the purchaser or registered owner
for the expense of replacement and installation of an exhaust system,
or part thereof, including, but not limited to, a muffler, which is
in compliance, at the election of such purchaser or registered owner.




27150.7. A court may dismiss any action in which a person is
prosecuted for operating a vehicle in violation of Section 27150 or
27151 if a certificate of compliance has been issued by a station
pursuant to Section 27150.2, or if the defendant had reasonable
grounds to believe that the exhaust system was in good working order
and had reasonable grounds to believe that the vehicle was not
operated in violation of Section 27150 or 27151.



27151. (a) No person shall modify the exhaust system of a motor
vehicle in a manner which will amplify or increase the noise emitted
by the motor of the vehicle so that the vehicle is not in compliance
with the provisions of Section 27150 or exceeds the noise limits
established for the type of vehicle in Article 2.5 (commencing with
Section 27200). No person shall operate a motor vehicle with an
exhaust system so modified.
(b) For the purposes of exhaust systems installed on motor
vehicles with a manufacturer's gross vehicle weight rating of less
than 6,000 pounds, other than motorcycles, a sound level of 95 dbA or
less, when tested in accordance with Society of Automotive Engineers
Standard J1169 May 1998, complies with this section. Motor vehicle
exhaust systems or parts thereof include, but are not limited to,
nonoriginal exhaust equipment.
yup, this is completely correct. cops can give you a ticket for that ... I've even heard of cops giving tickets to carb legal intakes. it's not like you can stop them from giving you a ticket, but you can easily fight it ... and that is an easy fight to win.

you can have basically ANY exhaust you want as long as it comes out in the stock location and as long as it is at or under 95 dbA. That's why exhausts don't come with carb #'s
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well ive been pulled over twice by cops for my exhaust....and i tried to argue with them right there.....and they just gave me a fix it ticket for something else....(Tints, not showing my license plate in front of my car)...but my arguement was that it was under 60 dbs.....and most cops dont konw what the hell ur talking bout so..they just site for some other dumb stuff....and i also say that i talked to a officer for monterey park police, and he was tellin me that its fine unless its over the dbs limit, and his cop car was a freakin STI!!!
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that must suck to live in cali. cops are cool here about that kind of stuff
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yup, this is completely correct. cops can give you a ticket for that ... I've even heard of cops giving tickets to carb legal intakes. it's not like you can stop them from giving you a ticket, but you can easily fight it ... and that is an easy fight to win.

you can have basically ANY exhaust you want as long as it comes out in the stock location and as long as it is at or under 95 dbA. That's why exhausts don't come with carb #'s
yea, i think greddy's website says their exhaust are 50 state legal or something like that. so i guess if u take them to court, u will probably win since its 50 state legal and is under the 95 dbA unlike some "N1" exhaust.
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In all...if you have your state certification by the ref...you will always win in the end. My exhaust was certified to be "Not-excessive" and everything has been cool since. I get pulled over every now and then but I just show em my certificate and its all good!

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Originally Posted by TopFuel
In all...if you have your state certification by the ref...you will always win in the end. My exhaust was certified to be "Not-excessive" and everything has been cool since. I get pulled over every now and then but I just show em my certificate and its all good!

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where do u go to get that state certification?
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where do u go to get that state certification?
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In all...if you have your state certification by the ref...you will always win in the end. My exhaust was certified to be "Not-excessive" and everything has been cool since. I get pulled over every now and then but I just show em my certificate and its all good!

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eh... i mean where do u find the "ref"?
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www.smogcheck.ca.gov

there is a phone # u can call to make an appointment for the state ref. or, when/if you get an exhaust ticket, it'll tell u on the ticket
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www.smogcheck.ca.gov

there is a phone # u can call to make an appointment for the state ref. or, when/if you get an exhaust ticket, it'll tell u on the ticket
thx.

hm. and can i just go to a test-only smog center to get a certificate.?
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thx.

hm. and can i just go to a test-only smog center to get a certificate.?
A test-only smog check has nothing to do with a referee station.

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ok im confused hahah ok exhaust are illegal unless you can pass smog with it? or what? i have a deep one and i dont wanna have to get rid of it just cause my car makes more noise.. if they are complaining that it makes to much noise go to all the Harleys and big bikes like that, that you can hear 5miles away you know? those f*&kers are loud!!! way lounder than any exhaust
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Pretty much its up to the cop if he wants to write u a ticket if u have an exhaust...i was doin a ride along with the temple city sherriff and he told me that as long as ur exhaust system is modified he can write u a ticket..but it depends on the the officer..most dont care but then there are some that are out to get everyone
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yeah ... a cop can write you a ticket for almost literally anything... you'd just have to fight it.

I was reading that a cop gave a ticket for a spoiler being an "obstruction of view" to a guy on the evo forums ... and he had a stock spoiler.

edit: found it

and another

hmm ... I guess this is a rather big problem...

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Oh man stock spoiler... I could see my 01 then getting pulled over for it Yeah I haven't bothered with my exhaust due to this mess.
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the thing is that on my car there is nothing else he can really give me a ticket, if he says lowereed, my car next to a stock ex, the headlights are the same height. i don't have tint, and i have stock lights and a oem lip kit
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A new law passed saying that if a cop deicides that he doesnt like you exhuast loudness he can ticket you, its not tested now its up to the cop.
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Originally Posted by Jeffsta17
A new law passed saying that if a cop deicides that he doesnt like you exhuast loudness he can ticket you, its not tested now its up to the cop.
I didn't see it in the CVC. Until I see it there, it's gray area for me to follow it.
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Old Aug 29, 2005
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i think they just are giveing them the right to ticket you as they want, more hassle for us
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