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I was moving pretty good through traffic the other day, when I caught the attention of a dodge ram. I believe it was an SRT10, especially the way it accelerated at speed. He was behind me and I started to roll on the throttle at 80mph. He moved over to the middle lane to pass, and I downshifted to 4th and took off. he actually hung with me through most of 4th, but by the end i was pulling. once I hit 5th I started to pull more convincingly, and the car lengths started building up.

I shut down at about 125, and eventually started to come into traffic, so I stayed in the left lane following the flow. The truck was behind me but in the middle lane. We're going about 70 (in a 65) with traffic, and we come over a hill, and there in the median is a state trooper shooting laser/lidar at our side of the highway. We obviously lucked out, and went by. After we went by, the guy in the truck looked at me and I pointed back at the trooper and laughed. He made a "whew" gesture and we went on our way. We cleared traffic and went back to cruising at about 85mph.

2 miles down the road we came into traffic again, which slowed us down again to about 70. And, once again, we come upon ANOTHER police car (local police) shooting laser/lidar at our side of the highway!! lol. this time the guy in the truck puts his hands together and looks up as if he's praying and saying "damn we're lucky" lol. Needless to say, he was a cool owner in a pretty fast truck.

Then later on, I'm making a right turn at a stoplight (i have a green light), and this lady in a taurus making a left turn from the oncoming lane just decides to go as I'm turning. She almost slams right into me, and I had to swerve to avoid a collision. At this point, I'm on her *** because of the fact that we were that close to hitting. It's at this point I notice she has 2 kids in the back seat, one in a car seat. I'm just about to back off her tail, and she BRAKE CHECKS!!!!!! Obvioiusly I had no trouble slowing faster than her POS taurus could, but this lady is seriously f*cking crazy! First, she endangers her children by almost causing an accident, and then she endangers them AGAIN by doing a BRAKE CHECK when a car is right behind her!

I wish I would have written down her license plate and called the cops, cuz that lady is gonna hurt herself or her kids. People are just so stupid sometimes.

 
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Crazy ladies suck. What I do not like is the old drivers, sloth drivers, and the crazy ladies who pull reckless stunts at the last minute. I also watch out for mini-vans.

 
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Hmm........ those srt-10's can be awfully quick, especially in the top end because their top speed is supposed to be 180mph +. Ive also seen they can run anywhere from 13.0's (claimed on their forums) to 13.7's (magazine road tests). Whats your car running s2000... 13.4's or so?

 
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i haven't run that time myself, but yes, similarly modded cars are in the 13.3 area.

I imagine that it was an SRT10, considering how even he stayed with me until about 105. then i started to pull on the top end. i know he let off at some point, i just dont know when. i was slowly pulling in 5th, and i think he let off by the time i hit 125.

 
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not to doubt you s2kman but i think a srt10 might just pull you top end. but being that there was traffic there was no time for you to literally line up. i mean for them to run a low 13 with all that hp traction probably isnt the best. so from a roll i could only imagine the pull that truck must have not to mention the top speed its rated at. bt that must have been a fun little expo

 
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the SRT10's don't have much traction trouble off the line. i know people are doubting me, but why?

A. have you actually run one of these trucks yourself while driving a car that can run low/mid 13's?

B. have you ever seen a race between an i/e/4.57 geared S2000 and an SRT10?

C. do you know the drag coefficient differences between the S2000 and SRT10, and their affect on the car's acceleration at those speeds?

i'm just curious where people are basing their statement from, considering that we went a good ways into triple digits, and no one here has stated that the SRT10 has the gearing to support such a race. ??

help me understand here, because the race happened no matter which way you looked at it.

 
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Was it a Hemi?

 
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lol no idea. if it was the SRT10 then no.

also, about racing the truck at that speed. he would have been at about 5000rpm in 3rd gear (their 3rd gear has a 1:1 ratio, assuming this was the 4-speed auto). also, their drag coefficient is about .45 compared to the .36 of the S2000.

 
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I would think it would have to be a Hemi because the next engine below the Hemi is a 4.7L V8 I'm pretty sure and it isnt that strong. Like 235hp or somethig I think.

 
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is the 8.3 liter V10 viper engine a hemi? that's what is in the SRT-10.

 
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http://www.viperalley.com/showflat.p.../o/all/fpart/1
Forums discussing times. I didnt' think they made auto SRT-10's. Do they?

 
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lol good question, but thats not the common "RAM Hemi" that I was referring to...I was talking about the 5.7 L Hemi....ya know the one that Dodge aired all them funny commercials about when they first came out with them? maybe this will refresh your memory if you still dont know what I'm talking about lol...from tv commercial: redneck voice: "HEY! Does that thing got a Hemi?!?"

 
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lol that thread turned into a flame war quickly.

i have seen the low 13 second 1/4 mile times, but that doesn't apply much to our race, since we practically started at the speed in which a 1/4 mile ends. lol

yes they make auto SRT-10's (the quad cab). a standard cab has a 4.10 final drive gear, while the quad cab has a 4.56 final drive gear, but it's also heavier.
http://trucks.about.com/od/2005picku...t10_quad_2.htm

 
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now i get it. im dumb.

 
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ok s2k man i did mention the gearing when i said the truck is set up to run high speeds. i think the top speed for that truck is like 180mph. i will also use a statement that you use quite often, but i will also state that i never doubted the race. i think it would have been a bit more fair if you had open lanes to race but this thing is trying to weave like a car that is 3x smaller. any how back to comparison. you often state how a properly driven s2k can run xx time. well a properly driven srt10 can run a 13 flat. so if it had a proper driver behind the wheel he SHOULD have been able to take you easily. whether it be top end or off the line. you have a low/mid 13 sec. car he has a 13 flat when both are properly driven

 
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i understand exactly what you're saying.

however, keep this in mind. we went WELL BEYOND the 1/4 mile range. in fact, we started at about 85 or 90, very close to where the 1/4 mile ends. in other words, the 1/4 mile logic and numbers don't apply much to this situation considering our starting and ending speeds were well beyond that.

so yes, had we raced from a lower speed roll to, say, 100mph and this had been the outcome, i'd agree that the truck should have done better.

however, with that high of a drag coefficient (which is probably the most important factor at those speeds, since the effect of drag increases exponentially with speed), and being that the truck was into areas where it has very tall gears and is much weaker gear-wise, the outcome (at least I feel) was what it should have been.

make sense??

 
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i understand what you are saying yes. but also keep in mind that the truck is built for highspeed driving. it has a 6speed manual. and for what it lacks in drag coefficient it makes up for in power. it does have a longer final drive but that is to reach the high speeds the truck is capable of. when you have that much power and most of the weight is taken out of the equation because the momentum is already moving forward your going to have some pretty impressive acceleration times. there is not too much of a difference in acceleration than the viper once the truck is moving. in fact i saw a viper and srt10 racing on the freeway 5south to be exact. there are a lot of both of them around here. i live in kind of a ritzy area. i see bently gt's ferrari 360's and lambos all the time. the viper was slightly ahead of the truck but he couldnt shake him. now i dont think your car has anywhere near the acceleration of a viper do you?

 
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no this truck was the auto. this was the quad cab SRT-10, which has a 4 speed automatic. not the 6 speed, which definitely has better gearing for top end. at these speeds, the truck is in the rpm range where power is falling off, and it's in 3rd gear (a 1:1 ratio). then at about 110-115 it goes to 4th gear which is a 0.69:1 ratio. while the 4 speed auto can hit low-mid 13's in the 1/4 mile, it's top end is most certainly not on par with it's 6-speed standard cab brother.

as for your viper question, obviously my car cannot match a viper's top end. however, to say the SRT10 will run as fast as the viper on the top end is a gross overstatement. while weight is less of a factor, it is still a factor. however, at that speed, the BIGGEST FACTOR (and i've mentioned this a few times now ) is DRAG coefficient. of which, obviously the viper has a much better drag cf. this alone would dictate the viper would pull on the truck easily at such speeds.

to give you an idea, an S2000 with top up has a drag cf of about .36. with the top down that changes to .41.

if the two run each other in the 1/4 mile, the one that is top up will win by a good 3-4 cars. just because of the extra drag. if you run the two from a roll of about 80 and go to about 130, the one with the top up will put about 10-12 cars on the one with the top down.

 
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my misunderstanding. i saw you mentioned it was an auto but i thaught it was an assumption that the truck was equipped with it only. my bad for the confusion.
now i am not saying the viper and truck has the SAME acceleration but very similar. its obvioous the viper would win on a track. its set up as a race car and the truck has a lot different weight transfer especially going in out of corners or even just for launching. but the acceleration for the srt10 is similar to the viper. it has the same motor. this would be comparing the auto to auto or 6speed up. at high speeds you are correct that the drag coefficient would be a lot greater in the truck but with the same power as the viper its not as apparent as you would think

 
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nad please dont take my posts as arguments. i actually like having intelligent debates/conversations with people that can hold their own

 
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I understand what you're trying to say, but let me try stating it somewhat differently.

I already gave you the S2000 example. so we have 2 of the exact SAME car: same tranny, same engine, same weight. we raced one with top up, one with top down. from 80-130mph, the one with the top down lost by 10-12 cars.

in other words, the only difference here was the drag coefficient. we also then, switched drivers to be sure, and the results were the same. so one car with a .36 drag and the other with a .42 (not .41 my mistake) drag = 10-12 cars in a similar top end race.

so, take the viper and truck. same engine, similar tranny (same gearing), but a weight disadvantage to the truck. so 1 against the truck already, even though at speed weight isn't as big a factor.

now take the drag coefficient. .38(viper) vs .45(truck). it's just a tad bigger of a difference than the top up/top down S2000 scenario I gave.

so, based just upon drag alone, one can theorize that the viper could put at LEAST 10-12 cars on an SRT10 in an 80-130mph race.

see my point? while yes, the truck is not a slouch, it's still most certainly not up to par with a viper in either 1/4 mile (12.3 vs 13.0) or the top end race.

 
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of course, this has been fun.

 
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i see your point

i was also making the comparison of the 6speed manual vs a s2k. so that was my bad as stated before. i think that the auto is a much better match for the s2k than the man. the manual should have been able to spank the s2k because of the gearing and top speed

 
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i agree, i think the manual is much better geared for the top end situation than the auto.

this was fun. ok what's our next debate?

 
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we will find another all we need to do is go look at he silly stories in the racing forum. also if you ever feel like ripping guys new ones. go check out the s10 site i gave you a link for. you should here those guy rip on imports all the time like s10's are gods gift. i gave up on them though long ago because it was like fighting 10k people with the same frame of mind. the site s just soo big now that there are too many noobs with attitude that think they know it all. i have been a member there since 02 and i rarely even post anymore because of all the idiots. that is oneof the main reasons that i enjoy debating with you because you actually have basis and knowledge to back up your posts unlike all the kids you see posting these days!!!

 
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lol my favorite was the srt war stories forum. i've never laughed harder at any other online forum.

 
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check some of these threads out
http://www.s10forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=223168
anyhitng that is not domestic is a ricer to them. i mean even a stock import is a ricer because its not domestic
there are a bunch more but they just re did the whole forum and now you ant acess anything but the last 21 threads so they got lucky. i just think its funny how close minded some people are about cars. i mean to me even if its the ugliest car ever if it has had a lot of work and money into it i can respect it. that doesnt mean i have to like it. but the way they talk about anything besides a domestic is disturbing

 
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give us a link please. I wanna check it out.

 
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lol an 8.3 liter v10 could do 150 like it was nothing.

 
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