s2k vs. 1.8t
s2k vs. 1.8t
Okay I know that it has been a while but let me share with you a recent experience I had a few nights ago. I traded in my 7th gen over the labor day weekend back in September for a 05 s2k. The 7th gen will be missed but I still have trouble from time to time handling the s2k (shifting)
Anyways, I was cruising late one night when a silver 99-up 4 door Golf starts driving spirited next to me. We catch a light, and when it turns green, we roll for a little bit and both hit it in 1st gear. I really do have a lot of trouble when redlining in 1st cause the rear tends to break lose. I stayed about a car to a car and a half till around 80-100mph when the road started becoming curvy so I shut down.
I roll down my window and ask him it was a 1.8t and he agrees. He told me how his 4 door was one of the last models to have the 1.8t. It was modded (BOV for sure) and he said he was running 15-16psi. I told him how much I admire VW and how I use to want a wolfsburg jetta. Then we both went our seperate ways but all in all, was a good match. I had the feeling that maybe his turbo might have pulled at a higher speed.
My s2k is stock except for Megan Racing test pipe.
Anyways, I was cruising late one night when a silver 99-up 4 door Golf starts driving spirited next to me. We catch a light, and when it turns green, we roll for a little bit and both hit it in 1st gear. I really do have a lot of trouble when redlining in 1st cause the rear tends to break lose. I stayed about a car to a car and a half till around 80-100mph when the road started becoming curvy so I shut down.
I roll down my window and ask him it was a 1.8t and he agrees. He told me how his 4 door was one of the last models to have the 1.8t. It was modded (BOV for sure) and he said he was running 15-16psi. I told him how much I admire VW and how I use to want a wolfsburg jetta. Then we both went our seperate ways but all in all, was a good match. I had the feeling that maybe his turbo might have pulled at a higher speed.
My s2k is stock except for Megan Racing test pipe.
yeah those VWs are pretty tight i know a guy who had a 88 jetta GLI wolfsburg edition quick little sucker(intake, exhaust, cams, port and polished head) he has a couple other guy who race corrados(sp?), the vr6 jettas are nasty.
Those definitly have some nice potential. not too many around here, modded anyway. Ran into a vr6 early in the summer, we were dead even, but only did a 2nd-3rd gear pull. never had a chance again though. I have seen aTT vr6 before, now that was sick!
yeah we were riding around ina late 90's vr6 jetta with 17s body lip kit, he had a chip, headers full exhaust, 2 15's and 4 people in his car and we were still keeping up with a 2nd gen rx7, doing like 110. engine wasnt tuned yet.
I know that I could have done better but hopefully in time I can drive it a little harder. I have trouble from time to time cause if I redline in first the rear breaks out which wastes valuable time. The megan pipe didn't seem to do much but it does seem to accelerate a little smoothier especially in VTEC transition. I say not worthy 4-5hp on a dyno if any.
Originally Posted by Eeeeeeh
I know that I could have done better but hopefully in time I can drive it a little harder. I have trouble from time to time cause if I redline in first the rear breaks out which wastes valuable time. The megan pipe didn't seem to do much but it does seem to accelerate a little smoothier especially in VTEC transition. I say not worthy 4-5hp on a dyno if any.
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Your not going to feel a difference from a muffler... it's basically doing nothing.
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Originally Posted by Eeeeeeh
I know that I could have done better but hopefully in time I can drive it a little harder. I have trouble from time to time cause if I redline in first the rear breaks out which wastes valuable time. The megan pipe didn't seem to do much but it does seem to accelerate a little smoothier especially in VTEC transition. I say not worthy 4-5hp on a dyno if any.
Originally Posted by S2000man01
intake, exhaust, test pipe, and header on the S2000 will free up a decent amount of n/a power for those engines. I've seen dynos in the 230-240whp range with those mods.
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Originally Posted by jetblackLS1SS
Which will net you a high 13-low 14. Right on par with a stock srt..... not a low 13 as you seem to think.
if you gain 20-30whp, you should be able to hit about 13.5 at best. and when the heck did I say an i/h/e S2000 will hit low 13's?? that would be unheard of.
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Originally Posted by S2000man01
a STOCK S2000 can hit high 13's (13.7-13.9) with a good driver. so explain how adding 20-30whp will "net you high 13's-low 14's"??
if you gain 20-30whp, you should be able to hit mid 13's. and when the heck did I say an i/h/e S2000 will hit low 13's??
if you gain 20-30whp, you should be able to hit mid 13's. and when the heck did I say an i/h/e S2000 will hit low 13's??
Most people run mid 14s in a stock s2000, and will hit high 13s with those mods at best. That is most people not with a professional driver behind the wheel. Show me a s2000 stock database that proves me otherwise.
I/H/E w vafc is pretty much a waste of money on the s2k, its not like the B series or i-vtec. Hondata doesn't reflash the ecu for s2k, so with that you are looking at 20-25whp.
4.57 or 4.77 gears are the best bang for the buck but only for AP1 models because the AP2s are better off with the stock 4.1 ratio or else they would be limited to 135mph. Turbo or supercharging is the way to go to make big gains I've seen dynos of 320whp @ 6psi.
4.57 or 4.77 gears are the best bang for the buck but only for AP1 models because the AP2s are better off with the stock 4.1 ratio or else they would be limited to 135mph. Turbo or supercharging is the way to go to make big gains I've seen dynos of 320whp @ 6psi.
Originally Posted by Eeeeeeh
I/H/E w vafc is pretty much a waste of money on the s2k, its not like the B series or i-vtec. Hondata doesn't reflash the ecu for s2k, so with that you are looking at 20-25whp.
4.57 or 4.77 gears are the best bang for the buck but only for AP1 models because the AP2s are better off with the stock 4.1 ratio or else they would be limited to 135mph. Turbo or supercharging is the way to go to make big gains I've seen dynos of 320whp @ 6psi.
4.57 or 4.77 gears are the best bang for the buck but only for AP1 models because the AP2s are better off with the stock 4.1 ratio or else they would be limited to 135mph. Turbo or supercharging is the way to go to make big gains I've seen dynos of 320whp @ 6psi.
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Originally Posted by jetblackLS1SS
No they won't. Are you serious. Do you post this BS on s2ki, and honda-tech. I have posted there, and a majority of supercharged s2000s run low 13s. You said in the last thread gears allow your s2000 to hit low 13s. And a s2000 won't hit a high 13 without god as it's driver. I actually think the fastest anyone ran in an s2000 was a 13.7. That was with a professional driver. People don't drag s2000s because they ahve no potential for it.
the two highest times proven thus far was 13.6's on S2ki. more than a handful have nailed 13.7-13.9's without much issue. on decent days, high 13's was all I would run. No professional drivers are needed. Feel free to post a thread on s2ki.com and say that only a "professional" driver will run high 13's in a stock S2k. You'll get laughed at.
I happen to be a moderator on s2ki.com and a member there for almost 5 years now. So I guess we have a bunch of members who are "God" since according to you that's what it takes to run 13's.
Not trying to be an ***, but you really do need to do some research and learn before you start making such statements.
And yes, 4.57 gears allow an S2000 to run 13.3 or so on the best runs. They also trap between 103-104.
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Originally Posted by jetblackLS1SS
Most people run mid 14s in a stock s2000, and will hit high 13s with those mods at best. That is most people not with a professional driver behind the wheel. Show me a s2000 stock database that proves me otherwise.
your "average" driver will run 14.0-14.2 or so in an S2000. You're good/best drivers will break 13's no problem. I'm not gonna sit here and justify to one newbie who can't get his facts straight, so do the research yourself, or post on s2ki.com that you need a "professional" driver to get into the 13's, and you'll get laughed at.
a "professional" driver who has been driving the car a whole 2 hours is NEVER going to run better times than a real world driver who drives the car day in and day out and races the car more than a few runs.
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Originally Posted by Eeeeeeh
I/H/E w vafc is pretty much a waste of money on the s2k, its not like the B series or i-vtec. Hondata doesn't reflash the ecu for s2k, so with that you are looking at 20-25whp.
4.57 or 4.77 gears are the best bang for the buck but only for AP1 models because the AP2s are better off with the stock 4.1 ratio or else they would be limited to 135mph. Turbo or supercharging is the way to go to make big gains I've seen dynos of 320whp @ 6psi.
4.57 or 4.77 gears are the best bang for the buck but only for AP1 models because the AP2s are better off with the stock 4.1 ratio or else they would be limited to 135mph. Turbo or supercharging is the way to go to make big gains I've seen dynos of 320whp @ 6psi.

by the way, the ap2's do very well with 4.57 gears. check that "rick's 4.56 gear installed" thread in S2000talk. many ap2 owners are happy with those gears.
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Originally Posted by jetblackLS1SS
Which gets my s2000s low 13s. I am glad someone has some sense.
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the hondata may be coming out for the S2000. the new 06 ECU is apparently reprogrammable. 
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Originally Posted by S2000man01
a supercharged S2000 has the ability to run about 13 flat. some have even had 12.9's. once again, do some research. check the forced induction forum for threads on this. a turbo'd S2000 running the same psi will run even faster, since they get power much sooner than the SC.
Originally Posted by jetblackLS1SS
I know my research your just quoting the fastest times possible. There are more than a handful of people on ls1tech who have hit 12.7s and 12.8s. I even know a average driver who hit an 11.9 in an auto on 343 whp with just a d/rs and bolt ons, but you know what it doesn't happen often so you can't act like it does. Hell the fastest stock c5 z06 ran an 11.7, but again most don't.
We all know that the s2k, let alone most japanese cars aren't made for drag, its not the way of "the rising sun". And don't tell me that Subaru's are made for drag because I'm sure you all are well aware of the rally-bred heritage. If you really want to get the full potential out of the s2k you won't be satisfied unless your blasting through the twisties with your hair on fire. I find myself taking turns at speeds far faster than what I should be in normal driving, the car maintains speed through turns so easily.
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Originally Posted by jetblackLS1SS
You can't argue the fastest times for a car. They just don't happen often.
and beyond that, why punish a car for a mediocre driver? I'm telling you what the car has the potential to run with a decent driver. i could give a crap what some average driver runs. i'm not an average driver.
you need to keep a level playing field. and by the way, if you run worse than 14.3, that's a crappy driver. When I was stock I could run a 14.3 with a missed shift. if someone can't run 14.3 on a decent day, then they're a crappy driver.
The majority of the people who go to tracks net mid 14s... which I consider 14.3-14.7.
The majority of supercharged s200s run low 13s... which includes a 13 flat. And a turbo'd s2000 may hit a high 12, but can't get much faster, as we all know high compression engines don't take boost well.
every time you post, you reveal even more about how much you DONT know about the S2000.
I know my research your just quoting the fastest times possible.
There are more than a handful of people on ls1tech who have hit 12.7s and 12.8s. I even know a average driver who hit an 11.9 in an auto on 343 whp with just a d/rs and bolt ons, but you know what it doesn't happen often so you can't act like it does. Hell the fastest stock c5 z06 ran an 11.7, but again most don't.
again, since driver skill CAN affect what a car runs, people compare and quote what the best/good drivers can run, since that's the car's potential.
in my case, i'm one of the best S2000 1/4 mile drivers you'll meet, so why would I quote a crappy mid 14 time stock?
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Originally Posted by Eeeeeeh
Yeah but do they got a 2 liter 4 banger? Check out this s2k on just 18psi http://http://www.inlinepro.com/
We all know that the s2k, let alone most japanese cars aren't made for drag, its not the way of "the rising sun". And don't tell me that Subaru's are made for drag because I'm sure you all are well aware of the rally-bred heritage. If you really want to get the full potential out of the s2k you won't be satisfied unless your blasting through the twisties with your hair on fire. I find myself taking turns at speeds far faster than what I should be in normal driving, the car maintains speed through turns so easily.
We all know that the s2k, let alone most japanese cars aren't made for drag, its not the way of "the rising sun". And don't tell me that Subaru's are made for drag because I'm sure you all are well aware of the rally-bred heritage. If you really want to get the full potential out of the s2k you won't be satisfied unless your blasting through the twisties with your hair on fire. I find myself taking turns at speeds far faster than what I should be in normal driving, the car maintains speed through turns so easily.
by the way, inline pro ran an 11.55 @ 129mph with their first project S2000 their first time out.
AND they did it with NO launch and a completely STOCK rear end and diff. (129mph trap is good for low/flat 10's with slicks)
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Originally Posted by jetblackLS1SS
Which will net you a high 13-low 14. Right on par with a stock srt..... not a low 13 as you seem to think.
you even then went on to say only a "professional" driver can hit 13's, and that's most certainly not the case.
again, i'm not an "average" driver, so why do I give a crap what they run when I'm talking about what I can run? i'll tell people what the car is CAPABLE of. if they can't get it to do so, that's not the car's fault nor mine.
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