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alright, I know I said I was leaving the site ... which I still am, I still have issues to take care of... but I HAD to post this.

I just finished installing my DC race header today. There's the good news. The bad news is that it feels SLOWER than when I had my type r header ... don't ask how, but it really, really does. Anyway ...

I am driving home with my friend in the car (~185 pounds) and I see HIDs behind me ... I get to a stop light and there is an 04+ S2k next to me. We both start driving normally, but then we both smash the gas and we are off ...

I end up pulling about 1.5 cars on him by 100.

I am not sure what his mods were, but I saw the back of his car (when we both went to turn left after the race) and I saw that he had an aftermarket single exhaust ... it looked to be angled and titanium-ish. Other than that, I'm not sure what his mods were. I guess this shouldn't count as a kill since my whole town is full of horribly, shitty drivers.



if you're gonna post and tell me street racing is bad, then do me a favor and click the log out button. thanks.

 
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Nice kill.

Why are you leaving the site?

 
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Nice kill, homeslice.

 
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racing is bad.... hehe... i wanted to race a s2k once but he was a *** and wouldn't slow down to race. he kept going 90+

 
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I am calling BS. Are you sure it was not a miata?? LOL J/K
Sorry to hear that you are leaving, you would have been a good resource to those who swap. I would also say that you were one of the most knowledgeable on this site, but I can understand completely.

 
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NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

can't believe a S2k lost to ur car

 
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You sure the other guy was even trying?

 
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LOL, an S2000 always wins

 
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I have a bad sarcasm radar.

 
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when racing from 20-100 mph and the guy is 1.5 cars behind you, it's something that's hard to deny.

How quick you guys are to make judgments against my car. But I guess that that is how it has always been.

things to note. This was done on completely empty streets around 11:30pm last night... maybe around 55 degree weather. I live approx. 3 miles from the beach, so I'm pretty sure I'm at sea level.

a stock s2000 runs a high 13 with a great driver on perfect track conditions... we all know that. Let's say 13.8. My car ran a 14.315@99.5x at 1100 ft., which is a 14.135@100.88 at sea level, at 78 degree ambient temperatures. Obviously the track conditions I were provided with are not perfect. My 60' time was also 2.422.

If you forget about my horrible launching skills, if you subtract the rwd-launch advantage, if you consider that the ambient temperatures last night were not 78 degrees, but ~55 and if you don't have a stephan papadakis as the driver, then you have the believable story that I have provided.

 
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I am not to sure about them, but I was being completely and totally sarcastic. I took it that they were too.

 
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hold on, i have nothing against u or your civic. i just love S2Ks. they aren't the fastest cars, many stock cars can beat a s2k.

btw, i only hate AWDs. Why? Do a track day. U'll see all the STi and EVo punks talking trash about what they can do at the beginning of the track day.
They learn to shut up at lunch as they spin out, crash, and get passed by others.

 
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Are you going to dyno again?? with header or wait for kpro???

 
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Nice kill and don't leave the site a lot of people could use your knownledge and i wanna hear more stories and see videos one day of your car racing. Good luck on whatever you choose

 
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haha, look whos back!

why do you always have to post something stupid like that at the end?

 
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I was gonna leave quietly after my original post, but people don't seem to ever take certain factors into account when they post.

john: going to dyno with the header, then get kpro later and tune it.

michalo: thanks. When I did post frequently, people seemed to ALWAYS argue with me like I'm stupid, and somehow now I'm one of the most knowledgable people on the site? I don't know how that works. I guess it's because they don't take me seriously because of my stupid username (which was created as an inside joke to my cousin)

curious: I post that to filter out all the idiots that usually say dumb **** that I either already know or don't really care about. In this case "street racing is stupid" etc.

I'm in a very irritated mood because of what's going on in my life. sorry if I've offended anyone. And if I wasn't the instigator to the offense, then I'm not sorry.

I'm not quite "back" either. I just keep posting because I have a retort against what people have to say (especially in relation to my car), which is what kept me on the site this long to begin with

 
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believeable, absolutely. average or below average driver? absolutely. your traps fall short of what you'd need to take an S2k from a roll. would it be close, given a proper driver? definitely.

 
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wtf is your problem

s2k's are slow. they dyno at 197 to the wheels stock

 
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uh, yeah I did some research and s2000's are not as fast as people make them out to be.

they dyno anywhere from 195-205 rwhp, weigh in at ~2800 pounds and with an awesome launch, they can do a low-flat 14 second 1/4 mile. Don't say gearing is part of it because some of the s2k's have a 4.1 final drive, with mine being a 4.76 final drive. I don't know if the newer models have shorter gearing, but I think the 00-03's have 4.1.

goto yahoo and type in "stock s2000 1/4 mile" and read some threads.

http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1121205

LShatch says he pulls 13.8 stock with a 2.0 60' time. With my car, going from a 2.4 60' to a 2.0 60', I don't think it would be hard to hit a 13.8 with my already 14.135 sealevel corrected time. 13.8 is NOT a common 1/4 mile time either ... I don't think it is fair to compare a very awesome s2k driver to my very average or below average driving skills.

http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=182192 .. they say 13.8-14.0 is a good time to run at a stock sea-level run. My time isn't a good time because my driver skills are lacking. How many times do I have to say this?

I don't want to argue 1/4 mile times though... I already know it would be tough to beat a stock one with an excellent driver, what I am arguing is my run with the s2k the other night from a roll.

 
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http://www.honda-acura.net/forums/sh...ad.php?t=14519

here if you scroll down there are some stock S2000 1/4mile times. Only one is at 100mph they are all less. This is just the first one that I found, but I am sure that trap speeds will be about the same across the board 99.xx-100.xx mph

 
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an AVERAGE driver will run 14 flat or low 14's. a GOOD driver will run 13's all day.
S2000 has an effective 4.756 final drive.
and this proves what? that it takes a good driver to get high 13's all day?

you're talking about if's and's and but's. you have a 14.3. regardless of what time your 60' was, you still trap between 98-100. a properly driven S2000 traps 100-102. regardless we can talk numbers and figures all day. you want to talk about "what if my 60' was this, and what if i was at sea level and blah blah blah". ok? let's talk about what you actually have done and what a properly driven S2000 can do.
yet when you run against an S2000 suddenly your skills are all better and good enough to beat an S2000? have you ever thought that maybe you found an equally skilled (or unskilled) driver in an S2000?

Our elevation here is about 800-900 feet. I ran 13.7-14.0 stock.
i'm not arguing about your run from the other night. i'm not saying it didn't happen or that it isn't even believeable. but, just like your run with the EVO, driver skill changed the outcome of the race.

 
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this makes no sense.

 
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properly driven 100-102. i did it all day long in my S2000.

 
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tell you what.

explain to me what math you use to determine that a 14.3@100 is faster than a 13.8@102, and then maybe i'll understand your logic.

 
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how i understand it when he is making the comparison he is not using a "if the driver can properly drive the car" comparison. i understand you thinking completely s2000man01 and undersstand you logic to a t. but remember you are comparing a properly driven car to someone who has not had much experience at the track. so its like comparing and apple to an orange. we cant say that if the s2k was properly driven it will hit a 13.8 @102 when we dont know what his car properly driven will run. he might trap a 100 now but he may be able to trap a slightly higher speed if the car was properly driven as we are stating the s2k is. i think no matter what the bottom line is we are going to have to agree to disagree. there is no point in arguing when people have different opinions. that is how i see it. i do know my shyt pretty well(at least that is what i like to think) but the whole comparison of cars running and being able to decifer who would really win all depends on the driver and the cars potential. and as of now we dont know the true potential of his car because it hasnt been "properly driven" i hope i am not starting anything but maybe making people think about the actual facts and not a what if scenario on either end. make sense???

 
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I don't get it. internet says 4.1 final drive, you are the only one I've seen that says 4.756 final drive, taking your honda troll user name into account.

who cares if I have a 14.3? what you don't seem to be factoring in worth **** are the track conditions and my driving abilities. If any of the guys who can pull a 13.8 with a stock s2k were to drive my car, given the perfect driving conditions, my car would run a lot lower than a 14.3. you also aren't factoring in that the rwd advantage is NON-EXISTANT with a roll-race, which is what this thread is originally about.

what I do not understand is that why the hell it would matter if the guy who raced me was not one of those 13.8 drivers. Guess what? Not all of us are. And what does that mean? It means that since the majority of people who drive s2000's do not run a consistant 13.8, YES my "skills are all better and good enough to beat an s2000". What, since I didn't race one of the top 5% of s2k drivers, so suddenly I am too slow? Give one of those drivers my car and the tables will turn.

equally skilled is the kind of race I'm looking for anyway. if you think the guy wasn't abled to fully achieve the full-potential of his car, then so be it ... guess what? I can't achieve the full potential of my car either.

Technically speaking, we don't know what a bolton K20A in an EM2 really runs, because nobody that has run their car has achieved a good solid run. I have achieved my 14.3 or 14.1-sea level run on a completely street setup, neglecting to even lower tire pressure and for my first run at the track, I think that's pretty f:ucking good. Do you want to go ahead and tell me that the guys who ran their 13's neglected tire pressure too? Don't bitch at me for getting a high time since you and the other guys have been to the 1/4 mile track potentially hundreds of times.

 
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i agree. even street racing takes skills. I doubt everyone that drives a stock S2k can get a 13.8

 
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i believe derik, he doesn't bs...

i don't believe s2kboy, he is too hype'd up about his s2k

s2k's are over rated. a k20a2 can make more power on stock internals than a s2k with a bolt on turbo kit

 
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hahaha this is funny..I have a s2k and a 05 type s..and my S pulls so much harder than the s2k...but i still my s2k..LOL..woohoooo

 
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Simple the average S2000 does not trap at 102 it traps at 100mph. Your #s are invalid, just as they where in the STI arguement there is no way in hell that a average driven stock STI traps at 104 just as a average driven stock S2000 does not trap at 102.