Evo vs. STI vs. Civic
Evo vs. STI vs. Civic
http://www.fargostreet.com/temp/video/04-04-05.wmv
Evo: ACT 2600, Boost Controller, Turbo Back, Intake, S-AFC II
STi: Cat-Back Exhaust, Boost Controller, Intake
Civic Hatch: 57 Trim, FMIC, Supporting Mods; Please note that the car was NOT running right in this video.
Evo: ACT 2600, Boost Controller, Turbo Back, Intake, S-AFC II
STi: Cat-Back Exhaust, Boost Controller, Intake
Civic Hatch: 57 Trim, FMIC, Supporting Mods; Please note that the car was NOT running right in this video.
the EVo had a jump on the other 2, plus pulls till 7k stock, the STi runs outta power/pull at about 6300, and the Civic is built and can pull to redline which could be anywhere from 6k-8k. Boring race but what ya gonna do. It takes a built Civic to keep up with and gradually pass a virtually stock STi and a mildly modded EVo. From a dead stop the STi would win...hands down...more torque. From a roll it's close. Why don't you ever see a Civic race a STi from a stop? Same with an Evo? I think you know the answer. I think it's coolthe civic pulled on them, well built machine...but ya know what I still like the STi.......AWD 2.5 Lt. 300 ft lbs TQ!!!!!!!!
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Originally Posted by Titleist71
It takes a built Civic to keep up with and gradually pass a virtually stock STi and a mildly modded EVo. From a dead stop the STi would win...hands down...more torque. From a roll it's close. Why don't you ever see a Civic race a STi from a stop? Same with an Evo? I think you know the answer. I think it's coolthe civic pulled on them, well built machine...but ya know what I still like the STi.......AWD 2.5 Lt. 300 ft lbs TQ!!!!!!!! 

I would agree to a point but, I do not think that an sti is a stock vehicle. Its a factory modified. And ya the 60 foot times of any awd car is always very good, buddy of mine is nailing 1.55-1.60 60ft in a wrx with mods. But if you look at the numbers the launch of a sti is very good but it just does not run like it launches, look at rwd cars that run those 60ft times and they will run much quiker in the 1/4. Its all in what you are into. I would love to make a road race car out of a 91 crx, but the awd capacity of a suby is very cool. Ahh hell all in all its still an import gotta show em love.......most i know hate imports so I say when they run good times like that it just proves my points!
Originally Posted by cg95660
I would agree to a point but, I do not think that an sti is a stock vehicle. Its a factory modified.
Originally Posted by Titleist71
HUH? Factory is factory. It comes turbo thats factory. 

also remember that from a roll the weight is not quite as important. just cause the hatch ran a 12.5 don't mean it would eat them up on top end. although it shouldve been closer then that lol.
looked like the evo got a head start to me?
looked like the evo got a head start to me?
Originally Posted by HorrorSkopes
cool vid
evo > all.
Evo w/ those mods run mid - high 12's, seeing he pulled that much, he must have a very good tune.
evo > all.
Evo w/ those mods run mid - high 12's, seeing he pulled that much, he must have a very good tune.
Plus the tranny is junk and my paper plates at home hold more corn than the EVO clutch...junk. Take a look at the latest issue of Turbo Magazine.......twin turbo STi with NO INTERNAL MODS making 500+whp
Originally Posted by Titleist71
and a STOCK 05 STi can run a 12.9...(high 12's). A Stock EVo runs high 13's
Plus the tranny is junk and my paper plates at home hold more corn than the EVO clutch...junk. Take a look at the latest issue of Turbo Magazine.......twin turbo STi with NO INTERNAL MODS making 500+whp 
Plus the tranny is junk and my paper plates at home hold more corn than the EVO clutch...junk. Take a look at the latest issue of Turbo Magazine.......twin turbo STi with NO INTERNAL MODS making 500+whp 
Where do you guys get your info? Instead of you bashing you need to re-google your info, the evo tranny is built stronger/tuffer than the STi tranny, and that is the truth. Yes, the evo clutch is weak, so is the STi tranny, I rather replace a clutch than a tranny. I also saw that mag issue, that's nice TT a 4cyclinder... let see how long the tranny holds, lol @ those guys at blitz

P.S. Don't you just love fanboys? He post the (stock) fastest STi time and posted the slowest evo time
Hmmm, let me play fanboy and say an evo can run a high 12 (stock) and a STi runs a high 13. Get over yourself and your car Last edited by HorrorSkopes; Apr 14, 2005 at 08:20 PM.
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"and a STOCK 05 STi can run a 12.9...(high 12's). A Stock EVo runs high 13's Plus the tranny is junk and my paper plates at home hold more corn than the EVO clutch...junk. Take a look at the latest issue of Turbo Magazine.......twin turbo STi with NO INTERNAL MODS making 500+whp "
guess you didnt see the EVO on this cover..
http://www.turbomagazine.com/toc/050...rbo/index.html
^ 712 hp
guess you didnt see the EVO on this cover..
http://www.turbomagazine.com/toc/050...rbo/index.html
^ 712 hp
Originally Posted by HorrorSkopes
I know what an STi can run, but what's ya excuse for the vid? That's right, you can't make an excuse. He got handed by a un-tuned civic, and an evo. Evo put like 4-5cars on him with just a clutch and TBE, OMG... lol.
Where do you guys get your info? Instead of you bashing you need to re-google your info, the evo tranny is built stronger/tuffer than the STi tranny, and that is the truth. Yes, the evo clutch is weak, so is the STi tranny, I rather replace a clutch than a tranny. I also saw that mag issue, that's nice TT a 4cyclinder... let see how long the tranny holds, lol @ those guys at blitz
P.S. Don't you just love fanboys? He post the (stock) fastest STi time and posted the slowest evo time
Hmmm, let me play fanboy and say an evo can run a high 12 (stock) and a STi runs a high 13. Get over yourself and your car 
Where do you guys get your info? Instead of you bashing you need to re-google your info, the evo tranny is built stronger/tuffer than the STi tranny, and that is the truth. Yes, the evo clutch is weak, so is the STi tranny, I rather replace a clutch than a tranny. I also saw that mag issue, that's nice TT a 4cyclinder... let see how long the tranny holds, lol @ those guys at blitz

P.S. Don't you just love fanboys? He post the (stock) fastest STi time and posted the slowest evo time
Hmmm, let me play fanboy and say an evo can run a high 12 (stock) and a STi runs a high 13. Get over yourself and your car Smuggling bananas and mexicans all for one low price...
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^^Because your on a Civic forum lmao 
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Originally Posted by XSRCivic
"and a STOCK 05 STi can run a 12.9...(high 12's). A Stock EVo runs high 13's Plus the tranny is junk and my paper plates at home hold more corn than the EVO clutch...junk. Take a look at the latest issue of Turbo Magazine.......twin turbo STi with NO INTERNAL MODS making 500+whp "
guess you didnt see the EVO on this cover..
http://www.turbomagazine.com/toc/050...rbo/index.html
^ 712 hp
guess you didnt see the EVO on this cover..
http://www.turbomagazine.com/toc/050...rbo/index.html
^ 712 hp
BUT! I just want to prove my point about the quality of the STi. Read and enjoy! Just a little hint. THIS STI HAS A COMPLETEY STOCK MOTOR and TRANNY!!! 526 whp and 500 ft lbs tq...on a stock motor!!!!! ON pump gas and 30 psi!
READ-
http://www.allwheeljunkies.com/modul...t=6411#botpost
Originally Posted by Titleist71
Where do you get your info? First of all, once again I am dealing with a new person. I have my opinions about my car and no I am not a "fanboy", I am a owner. You probably don't own either of the cars so your more of the fanboy...just by looking at your signature. I have my opinions and you have yours. I haven't bashed you or called you names so don't do that to me. Grow up. Be mature and appropriate. Why do I have to deal with this all the time? 
Like the fact you say a evo runs a high 13 stock, you might have an STi, but please stop being sooo nieve. The evo and STi run similar times stock, and the STi does not constantly run 12.9 and you you know that. It's one thing to have an opinion, but it's another just to spew "fanboy" opinions.
I had a friend (who recently moved to texas) who get a dose of "evo" reality, when he said they are "slow and have not top end" and "i have 300hp and 300trq". Dude when to the track first time, and line up with an evo (first timer as well). Evo pulled off a 13.3 to his STi 13.6, the rest of the night we gave him soooo much hell for his fanboy opinions.
HAHAHAHA OK BUD! sounds like he doesn't know how to drive. Oh yeah.......the EVo pulls to redline as I stated in an earlier post. You sound like someone on here spewing out the "fanboy" comments. Work in a doctors office? Make a new name on the boards? Afterall your the one who came out with the comment. I see you shuned away from commenting on the link I posted.
The Stock motor STi making 526 whp and 500 lb ft tq on pump gas
......ya I'd like to see a EVO do that on a stock motor.....oh wait it won't happen.
I have no trouble with EVo's or any other car. I almost bought one but read about the clutch being maneur. Apparently you seem jealous that I drive a STi and visit a civic board to bad I guess......I had a turboed EM2 son, I ain't new either. I have nothing left to say on this thread....getting back on track, the EVo jumped, the civic was built and the STi was stock and from the sounds of it he wasn't even really putting it to the carpet......call it what you will. And that was not a 2nd gear pull, the revs would have been alot higher, that was more like 3rd. Out.
The Stock motor STi making 526 whp and 500 lb ft tq on pump gas
......ya I'd like to see a EVO do that on a stock motor.....oh wait it won't happen.
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Originally Posted by Titleist71
HAHAHAHA OK BUD! sounds like he doesn't know how to drive. Oh yeah.......the EVo pulls to redline as I stated in an earlier post. You sound like someone on here spewing out the "fanboy" comments. Work in a doctors office? Make a new name on the boards? Afterall your the one who came out with the comment. I see you shuned away from commenting on the link I posted.
The Stock motor STi making 526 whp and 500 lb ft tq on pump gas
......ya I'd like to see a EVO do that on a stock motor.....oh wait it won't happen.
I have no trouble with EVo's or any other car. I almost bought one but read about the clutch being maneur. Apparently you seem jealous that I drive a STi and visit a civic board to bad I guess......I had a turboed EM2 son, I ain't new either. I have nothing left to say on this thread....getting back on track, the EVo jumped, the civic was built and the STi was stock and from the sounds of it he wasn't even really putting it to the carpet......call it what you will. And that was not a 2nd gear pull, the revs would have been alot higher, that was more like 3rd. Out. 
The Stock motor STi making 526 whp and 500 lb ft tq on pump gas
......ya I'd like to see a EVO do that on a stock motor.....oh wait it won't happen. 
Ok is this going out of hand. Have you seen a sti run at a drag in person?? If so what did it pull. Many sti's here in sac pull low 13's. Both cars are close i prefer the sti but to bash another car for book read specs is ignorant. Plus you are spewing 500hp 500hp.Bfg I have a ton of v8 buddies runnin in the 10's and lower so if you want to start that crap i am sure many people here could do the same. Its all about respecting other cars for what they bring to the table. For one a Us import running 13's stock is one hell of an acheivement! Both cars have earned the respect of many v8 owners including alot of my friends(who hate imports). So to sit here and argue a .8 second or so diff is really bad. Its almost like when I try to talk about any import stuff to my buddies its a instant bash of ignorance. I think many here would agree that we could go out and find a clip, dyno chart, or some kind of info on just about any car to fit our opinion. Its just a matter of respect to all.....which until now I thought most import owners had.
Originally Posted by cg95660
Ok is this going out of hand. Have you seen a sti run at a drag in person?? If so what did it pull. Many sti's here in sac pull low 13's. Both cars are close i prefer the sti but to bash another car for book read specs is ignorant. Plus you are spewing 500hp 500hp.Bfg I have a ton of v8 buddies runnin in the 10's and lower so if you want to start that crap i am sure many people here could do the same. Its all about respecting other cars for what they bring to the table. For one a Us import running 13's stock is one hell of an acheivement! Both cars have earned the respect of many v8 owners including alot of my friends(who hate imports). So to sit here and argue a .8 second or so diff is really bad. Its almost like when I try to talk about any import stuff to my buddies its a instant bash of ignorance. I think many here would agree that we could go out and find a clip, dyno chart, or some kind of info on just about any car to fit our opinion. Its just a matter of respect to all.....which until now I thought most import owners had.
I was going to stay out of this but I just can't. Yes I drive a WRX but I am not one sided in this argument. I was debating on buying an STi or an Evo but I decided to buy just a regular WRX so I could buy a bike as well. I would have probably gone with the STi over the Evo but that decision was baised mostly on looks and nothing else. Now that that is out of the way, I will spew some knowledge about both cars. Both cars are extremely well built but with some "minor" flaws in either design. I'm not going to list the strong points due to the fact that I would be here all day. So I will list the most popular weak points. For the Evo, it is in fact the clutch AND tranny, believe it or not. More so the clutch than tranny. The clutch is COMPLETE junk! It's probably the worst built factory clutch I have ever come across. Quite a few people over on Evom.net have blown them out STOCK with pretty much daily driving only. Almost everyone on that site that has actually decently modified their Evo with just bolt ons, has had to replace the clutch. Now on to the tranny. All AWD trannies tend to be put through much more stress then FWD or RWD cars so it's no surprise to see these trannies fail. I know quite a few people that have had to replace syncros in the first 4 gears on nearly STOCK Evos. But I know more people that have had absolutely no problems with them what so ever. Now on to the STi. Believe or not, the tranny in the STi is probably one of the strongest I have seen. BUT it has been known to fail as well. Once again, due to the fact that it is put through much more stress than any FWD or RWD cars. I'm going to chalk, both the Evo and STi tranny, up as very rare factory defects, considering the fact that not every car that is rolled off the assembly line will be built correctly to withstand the daily driving stress. The Evo clutch on the other hand is something that is pretty much an occurance on every other Evo that is pushed out the door. That needs to be taken care of by Mitsu. One last thing. This is directed towards Titleist71 with no disrespect what so ever. You really should do more research on the Evo as far as the motor being able to withstand enormous amounts of power. The 4G63 motor that is in that car is bullet proof compared to that in the STi. Mitsu used the same platform for this car that they have been using for years. Although it's been revamped to make more power stock. Do some research on some of the older DSM's running stock blocks that are pushing 500+awhp. Take a look at this site too. www.evolutionm.net. There are quite a few Evos on that site that are throwing down huge numbers with stock blocks. Not flamming anyone here. Just wanted to point somethings out that nobody has yet. To each his own though. Drive your car and be happy with what you got. Just don't go trash talking cars that you don't know much about. Stay safe guys.
Originally Posted by SLAMMED01CIV
This is directed towards Titleist71 with no disrespect what so ever. You really should do more research on the Evo as far as the motor being able to withstand enormous amounts of power. The 4G63 motor that is in that car is bullet proof compared to that in the STi. Mitsu used the same platform for this car that they have been using for years. Although it's been revamped to make more power stock. Do some research on some of the older DSM's running stock blocks that are pushing 500+awhp. Take a look at this site too. www.evolutionm.net. There are quite a few Evos on that site that are throwing down huge numbers with stock blocks. Not flamming anyone here. Just wanted to point somethings out that nobody has yet. To each his own though. Drive your car and be happy with what you got. Just don't go trash talking cars that you don't know much about. Stay safe guys.
the 4G63 is a good motor and has been figured out 10 fold. I doesn't surprise me that an EVO can make more power, the technology has been around for a few years. The Sti motor is new. Tuning is an ongoing learning experience. All I'm saying is this, they are now finding that the 2.5lt STi motor can handle 30 psi, proven to make 500+whp on pump gas. The STi motor is built well. I know. Trust me, just because my car is new doesn't mean I am new or don't know anything about it. I know alot actually.
I have done alot of research on both and I chose the STi because it has BETTER quality. But not for one minute will I believe that a stock 4G63 can make 500 awhp. PROVE ME WRONG! The crank won't last, the rods won't last and the pistons won't last. Sorry but that what I think



