wantaturbo

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The other night i was on my way home from my girlfriends at about mimdnight, i was on the 55 freeway in so cal. I have an 02 ex SEDAN with a k20a2 sri, shorty header w/ hihgh flow cat, custom exhaust, revo ss, and k-pro (on cai kalibration untuned still). I was cruising in the fast lane going about 90mph when i passed a black camero ss. I think it was an SS because of the hood and lip kit and exhaust, could have been an RS though but i dont think it really matters.
But anyway he gets up next to me and paces me then punches it for no apperant reason. So i drop it into 4th and catch him cause he had slown a bit by then so i pull up next to him at about 90 and he punches it before i drop it to 4th again but i do it quick and im hanging on about 2-3 lengths back until he slows down at about 120mph.
next we line up again going about 90 and im in 4th foot on the clutch getting my rpm's up and we drop it at the same time and surprisingly i pulled on him a bit. He satyed at my back bumber all the way to 120 and he started pulling even with me at about 135mph when i shut it off. It was insane, i hung with a sick *** v-8 although it was probobly an auto. I was pretty stoked, i know he would destroy me from a stop and from low rolls but up high i was surprised how well i hung.

we both exited the same road because i had to turn around to get back on the freeway to go back to the 5 freeway which i had flown by at about 120mph. lol. He was in a straight lane when i got along side him to get back on the freeway and the look on his face was priceless.
peace out

NoFriends

Lol there is a 120hp difference between a RS and SS.. A SS should have been able to walk away from you as the 98+ are LS1 powered and with light modification they can make considerably more power over stock. It could have been a Z-28 with a sport appearance package as they look similar to a SS.

wantaturbo

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are you sure about 120 hp? i read a while ago (cant remeber where) that z28's have the same motor, with not quite as good of exhaust or intake which is only about 20hp and is lighter than the ss becasue of the body kit on the ss. I am not saying it had to be an ss, i didnt have my glasses on and i was concentrating a lot on not dying to actually see the badges but there was nothing on the side that i could see.
i dont really know camaro's but i dont think it could possobly be 120 hp.
then i may want to run my friend who has a 97 z-28 with about 5k under the hood. i/h/e/cams/transmission work and 150 direct port shot of n20. could i then hang without n20? the other mods should be good for 100 hp.

T/A

Yes, there is a 125hp difference between the 3.8L v6 200hp RS and the 325 hp SS Camaro. That's is if it's an LS1. If it is a LT1 the SS had 305 hp. If it was a v8 he would have pulled on you a lot harder, or perhaps the guy was just toying with you. I know your car has got some decent mods, but if it was a true SS, he would have killed you. Some manual SS's have run high 12's in the 1/4 mile stock, and some auto's in 13 flat.

Michalo187

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Yeah those ls1 are dam strong especially an SS.

T/A

Another misconception is that there is a big difference between z28's and ss models. There's not that big of difference HP wise by models but rather by years. 98-00 models typically dyno in the 290-300hp at the rear wheels. 01-02 models dyno 310-315ish hp at the rear wheels because of the ls6 intake put on those year models. Suspension is the main difference between the models, but both handle well. In addition, of course the SS has the hood scoop.

aznboysrfr

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k20 power

is your car full interior?

quick silver

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I would think a "mildly" modded K20A2 would pull on an SS above 120 mph.

S2000man01

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i'm thinking it was an LT1, not an LS1. an LS1 would have pulled hard.

T/A

Doesn't a K20A2 have 200hp and 142 lb feet of torque??? Granted with some mods a little more, but if my facts are straight, how do you figure it pulling a 325 hp or 305 hp car???

S2000man01

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The K20A2 responds extremely well to mods. with what he has he could easily be pushing 230hp.

a 230hp K20A2 is enough to give an S2k a run for its money at a roll. a stock auto LT1 could probably get pulled on by a 6 speed K20A2 with those kinds of hp numbers.

SLAMMED01CIV

Nice run man. As much as I love my WRX, I wish I would have kept my Civic. It would have been paid off a year ago and I could have swapped a K20 by now. I'm so mad. Eh, you live and you learn I guess.

T/A

Ok, I understand what you're saying, and I know weight starts to play a factor, but let's say it is a Lt1 SS. You have a car with 305 hp, 325 lb feet of torque. Dyno's of those cars in autos I have seen the car putting 265-270 rwhp. Maybe around 195 hp at the wheels for the civic. Plus lets say torque goes up on the K20A2 from 143 to like 165 being generous at the flywheel. that's still a 160 lb feet of torque advantage for the LT1. And this is assuming the SS is bone stock. Now this is talking about a stock Lt1, major responding to mods by my LT1 with K&N CAI gained 19hp at the flywheel, so I'm trying to understand how this K20A2 can over power this??? By the way talking about weight, Lt1 F bodies weigh ~ 3300 lbs. Mine weighs in at 3345 lbs. What are 1/4 mile times expected for a car with a k20a2??

aznboysrfr

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^ why are you adding hp from mods if they gave a stock scenario?

the guy's sedan weighs around 2600 pounds ... that's a good 700 or so pounds lighter. good power to weight ratio

S2000man01

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you're looking at a lot of numbers and weights, but you should look at some 1/4 mile times really.

to my knowledge, the swap alone of the K20A2 in a civic gets it to high 14's or so. with the mods he's got he's probably mid/low 14's territory.

correct me if i'm wrong, but doesn't a stock LT1 auto camaro run low 14's? I know the manual can get high 13's, but the autos are a bit slower.

remember in his story, he's not saying he killed him. they stayed fairly even, sometimes pulling on each other.

T/A

AZNBoysrfr, I was talking about mods b/c supposedly a K20a2 responds "so well to mods" when you gain 19 hp on a v8 fbody by adding a CAI, that was the reasoning, and you don't know what the guy in the SS has for sure. So that one mod would put him at 324 hp at the flywheel. Stock Lt1 camaro can run high 13's as I have shown you before, but LT1 SS avg. 1/4 I've seen are 13.5-13.6 at 105-106 mph. They're pretty beefy. Driver depends I know, but at speeds such as that, I would thing the hp advantage of the SS would over power the K20a2.

T/A

By the way, Lt1 ss are different from ls1 SS when I was talking about Ls1's because of A. Some came with Lt4 engines which were in 97 SS and had 330 hp.
B. Exhaust manifolds are freer breathing.
C. Ram Air effect more beneficial on Lt1.

Like I said anything can happen, just wouldn't thing with such wide gaps in power, things would be this close.
Here is a link, if you want to see a 1/4 mile time for a 96 SS by the way... this one is 13.46 @ 106.48 mph. And yes, i know that one is a 6speed but as I stated before times are about .1 different between fbodys manual and auto.
http://www.musclecarclub.com/musclec...s-50fast.shtml

aznboysrfr

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we are aware of the potentials ... but we had assumed it was a stock auto, so that why I thought posting potential numbers for modded manuals is fruitless to this argument

Mustang5.0HO

Ok this is more my topics...Muscle cars..in 01-02 the Camaro SS was actually faster than the Corvette of the same year.... If it was indeed a Camaro SS it would of had killed you and It doesnt matter if its a 98 or a 02 they both would of beaten you. I dont know alot about imports and thats why Im here to learn but you really dont wanna mess with a SS even stock..Now Ive seen sick one's with just acouple of bolt ons and jeez... insane. z28 are also true for 97-98 since they had a LT1 engine aswell. Only acouple of mods with different between the z28 and SS that year making the SS alittle more horspower and torque wich someone said earlier this post...Well Im out. Im not saying their impossible to beat... It can be done...

S2000man01

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I've never seen times online or in person of a stock LT1 SS hitting better than 13.6-13.7 with the best drivers. i also have a friend who owns one (huge camaro freak) and he is nodding his head as he stands behind me. he also wants to point out that the traps speeds are also usually in the 101-102 area.

but we dont know everything, so if you have proof, i'd be glad to see it??

TurboDieselDrew

That is a rare time for a stock LT1.... very rare. Most are very high 13s to low 14s unless they are at an amazing track with an even more amazing driver.

When my (yes, I can speak from experience) LT1 was stock and even lightly modded it was fairly unimpressive. I wouldn't doubt that a high hp, lightweight civic would give it a good run.

S2000man01

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there was a greater difference between the auto/manual on the LT1's than there is on the LS1's. the LT1 auto was usually .3-.4 seconds slower than the manual.

ViNRoCk8

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All i know is the K20a2 has a nice top end as do all of Honda's premium motors (K20, F20C, B18, B16's).

American cars are known for their LOW end torque. Alot of my friends have american cars....camaros, 5.0's and all that good stuff. From 0-100 they are out, but after that i'm not really impressed with the way they pull. They are good light to light.

It all depends on how the car is tuned too....

quick silver

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Sure these muscle cars can be beat. I have seen a number of mod'd K20A2 put over 375 whp. Given the power to weight ratio, your muscle cars wouldn't stand a chance.

S2000man01

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good point


lets stick to the topic of the camaro this guy ran in his modded K20A2 civic. for all we know it was an A4 auto LT1

Diemos

A stock auto LT1 can break 13s. Mine did, and it has 120K miles on the odometer. Now I've got a stall converter and a shift kit.

Unless something was wrong with that Camaro it was probably a V6.

- Diemos

Diemos

The LS1 has insane highway pull, far more impressive than any Honda engine.

- Diemos

Diemos

Yeah maybe a stock muscle car.

Diemos

That is inaccurate information. The 4L60E and the T-56 were very similair from the factory, primarily because the auto had the advantage off the line. It is not til the very end of the 1/4 do you see the T-56 pull.

Mustang5.0HO

Gotta love em 5.0's