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Old 02-24-2005
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Scion tC vs. EP3 Hatch

Got this off clubrsx.com

The si is stock and the tC has a TRD axle back as only mod

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hmmm, I really don't know what that was, but those cars are not that fast. I would say a drivers race, but damn he kicked the Si ***.
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hell no the scion took the si by that much, si is mid 15's car and with a good driver you can get low 15's and scion is about the same, car&driver got 15.7 out of it so pulling 3 cars on the si would be more like a .8second difference
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i think the si driver, is just a very poor driver, it should have been much closer then what it was.
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same horsepower right? scion has more torque. actually...a LOT more torque. 163 ft lbs.....i still woulda thought the si had a chance.
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torque does wonders.
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Originally Posted by 02boostlessCIV
hell no the scion took the si by that much, si is mid 15's car and with a good driver you can get low 15's and scion is about the same, car&driver got 15.7 out of it so pulling 3 cars on the si would be more like a .8second difference
hondawerx told me that one second is 14 car lengths in the quarter mle..
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looks like the driver of the si was a bit hefty
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^^^lol I really don't think that it was a race. It looked like they were just fooling around
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Originally Posted by ACURAwerx
hondawerx told me that one second is 14 car lengths in the quarter mle..
depends on what speed but at the speed they were at it was about .6-.8 seconds difference
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http://www.scion.com/drive/features/tc_specs.html

No fvcking way were they racing!!! 200lbs difference, peak hp at 5700 vs 7900rpms with a bit more tq from a roll or from a dig I think it would be a straight drivers race or Si advantage
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There is no way the scion is that much faster.
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One word, TORQUE!

Yes, that was the only advangtage the tC had. No, it's not a driver race. I put 2.5 cars on a sI, which is exactly what the tC was doing. When I first saw the thread title, I know before I clicked the link, the tC was gonna win... no if ands or butts about it.

Ive only raced 2 tC, and beat both by half a car length. Anyways, I hate the fact the music drowned the car sounds
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one word HONDATA. lol just playin
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and no one can claim the Si looks better...
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don't underestimate those TC's. they are gonna be monsters once they are modded. I've heard of 2 shops out here already putting over 500 whp outa them.
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Originally Posted by HorrorSkopes
One word, TORQUE!

Yes, that was the only advangtage the tC had. No, it's not a driver race. I put 2.5 cars on a sI, which is exactly what the tC was doing. When I first saw the thread title, I know before I clicked the link, the tC was gonna win... no if ands or butts about it.

Ive only raced 2 tC, and beat both by half a car length. Anyways, I hate the fact the music drowned the car sounds
2.5 cars??? What race did you see because the one that I saw the TC pulled like the Si was standing still. i know that there is a Touque advantage, but there is a 200lb difference to make up for that (the driver was a bit chunky so 100lbs). I am not saying the TC is not fast, but that reminds me of when I raced an rx7.
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Originally Posted by bgoetz
2.5 cars??? What race did you see because the one that I saw the TC pulled like the Si was standing still. i know that there is a Touque advantage, but there is a 200lb difference to make up for that (the driver was a bit chunky so 100lbs). I am not saying the TC is not fast, but that reminds me of when I raced an rx7.
In the vid it looked like the tC pulled 10's car on the sI, but im pretty sure the sI stopped after 3 or so. Music was soooo freakin loud, you couldn't even hear the engine notes. The torque made the difference in weight against the sI. The only reason why the tC won is beause of the torque. if the tC had the same torque as the sI, he sI would pull him.
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if the SI had a good driver i think it would have dont alot better. regaurdless!
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damn TC pwn3d Si

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ill agree with 1/2 of the guys posting to this. theres no fvcking way that the tc would pull that hard on an Si.

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I dont know why that guy didnt beat him haha.. I beat stock Tc's with my car too when it was stock.. i SLOWLY pulled ahead but i did beat him
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That big bastard can't drive for ****. Besides you could barely see the drivers head on the TC. I love my vic but this is bull, honda better start bringing faster cars into production, oh they already do it's called the Type R.
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that wasnt a race... with a good driver the si can hit high 14s. the tc does have a torque advantage but theres no way in hell the tc can pull 3 car lengths in less than 2 seconds. it would be a close race but the si would win by a nose. im not saying that because i have a Si but because i've seen races between a stock si and a stock tc before. everytime the si would win by a nose or half a car. i must say, the torque is the tc is one lovely thing, it pulls hard when it takes off.
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Originally Posted by djimpak
... with a good driver the si can hit high 14s
^jus usin your quote as an example, but i dont understand if magazines, factory websites, and brochures read a stock time of 15s in the 1/4 mile for the Si, why would being a better driver have anything to change that, and that goes for any vehicle. If anything, the only change in this stock quartermile time would be, say at denser areas where more air can be shoved into the engine...

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scion tc

Horsepower 160 hp @ 5,700 rpm
Torque 163 lb.-ft. @ 4,000 rpm
Curb Weight (lbs.) 2,905/2,970 (manual/automatic)

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Horsepower 160 @ 6500
Torque 132 lb.-ft. @ 5000
Curb Weight (lbs.) 2782
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yeah that si driver was laughing and having a good time..so i dont think he is a good driver..
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