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Its true this has been discussed before, and he has a whole lot more than a few boltons. Check his public profile. Aside for the usual boltons, he has no ac, no ps, underdrive pulleys, no cat, etc. And hes running stock wheels (which actually are kinda heavy).

Its long but explains everything...

http://www.7thgencivic.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=188385

 
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Dude i said this from the beginning, He calls me his #1 hater, i call him the #1 bullshiter . He claims he just got nitrous but i think hes had it all along.

 
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That explains nothing. All that does it put the explanation on the fact that he was able to cut an unbelievably low 1.9 second 60'. All that does is somewhat explain how he got a (relativly) low Elapsed Time. That does NOT explain his TRAP SPEEDS... and then he backs this all up with track slips posted in 2001... three years beore his car was produced. Wow.

BTW; his HP figures, gearing, and HP to weight ratio do not match these claims. Id go into further detail but I’m saving that one for when the man him self replies.

This is like Black99VTEC all over again.

Im with you on this one. My BS meter is going through the roof here.

 
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READ THIS THREAD



Redline I know your gonna come in here with a 20 paragraph explanation but something that STILL stands out to me is.................

you ran a 16.9 with a 2.3 60 ft? Now thats a dam good 60'. But it doesnt explain how you are NOW getting about the same 60' but running allmost 2 seconds better.

It has been proven that Bolt ons dont do much for our cars, your only putting out 111 hp.

So let me guess........................The 200 lbs of weight reduction. Right?

 
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Come on we've been through all this crap before... and before that... and before that.

 
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...and yet he still persists with the lie. Sad, isnt it?

BTW; didnt you find it a bit odd that a DX Civic, which dynoed at only 110WHP & 98ft. lbs. of tq. *with I/H/E*, only ran .4 seconds... and less then 4MPH slower, then your EX with I/H/E and ON NITROUS?

Redline04: You *tried* to start a thread about this, but it got shut down with a quickness. Bring it over here instead. Im waiting.

 
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sorry to spoil a possible flame war but i am going to the track on the 7th and was wondering since i have the stock exhuast should i just take it off for the day and run open header? I know i will lose tq but wouldnt i gain off top end especially with nitrous and also lose alot of weight.

 
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Don't run open header! You will mess up your valves real bad. If anything, would disconnect it at the end of the cat, but still, you should be investing in a complete exhaust system because nitrous can melt the insides of your cat and clog it up causing major problems.

 
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Look all im saying is that in past threads like this one have come up and other people vouched for Redline04 seeing him run those times at the track. S2000man01 called up the track about the whole wrong date thing on the timeslips and they said the dating of all the timeslips was messed up. Whats wrong with everyone out to get this guy? He's shown me enough evidence but if he is lying, he has to live with that. Seems like everytime a noob joins up and sees his times, he gets attacked.

 
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Hes not lying. There were several members there who witnessed it and posted about it. They are respected members who also know him. They saw it with their own eyes. PM them and ask for verification if you want. Just because you don't believe it, doesn't mean he's lying.

 
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Go home noob all this **** has been covered. Do a search. I have better things to do than argue with some bitch *** dude on the internet to which I have nothing to prove. Maybe if you spent less time playing internet warrior and spent countless hours at the track and behind the wheel like I have you wouldn't find it so hard to believe.
Anyway like I said I'm through with this ****. If you want proof come see me in Shreveport mother****ing Louisiana, since it means so much to you.

 
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hm..

 
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What a great idea! Next week I am going to remove my fenders, lights and mirrors from my bike and ride naked so I can do a 9.9 instead of a 10.1 1/4 mile.

 
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nastage2 has been here longer than most people on this entire site....

 
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you're calling him a noob and he's been here long than you. he's also someone who is actually quite intelligent and is very knowledgeable about cars.

i'm still curious how you explain going from a 16.9 @ 80mph to a 15.1 @ 90mph. what he has pointed out does not add up to me either. i/h/e and an additional 100 pounds weight reduction won't make your trap speed increase 10mph. that takes something drastic, such as a lot more n/a horspower, or some form of FI.

While you have witnesses that saw you run, did any of them ever get the chance to search for nitrous under your hood when you made those runs? I remember there being a few slip ups you made back when you ran the 15.1 that made it sound like you already had nitrous, but then quickly came back to say that you were LOOKING at getting nitrous.

I want to believe it just as much as you, but seeing as where your times started from to the 15.1, I don't see it happening n/a. particularly your trap speeds.

so rather than bash him or me or flame whoever, please answer the questions and explain how your trap increased so dramatically with the few n/a mods you had and the 100 pounds of weight reduction you did in addition to the 100 pounds you had already done.

 
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scansel i have a vp so my header/cat is connected. So would it be bad to run open cat?

 
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Hmm I don't see a problem, just don't sit in one place too long with your car running because you can get exhaust fumes in your cabin. Im not really sure on this though about fire hazards, melting things etc.

 
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Sorry, I just looked at the stats above and saw he'd been here for just this month . I was unaware he was an old user. What was his old name BTW?

 
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hehe no problem. i would have done the same thing.

 
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This is sooo gay. How long has this gone on? Lol seriously.

 
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Why won't you guys believe him? He did it, his friends saw it, and he's even invited you to the track to see it for yourself. Why would he lie over something like this? And choose the numbers he did?

 
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Well said, people just need to stop hating. And s2000man01, why the sudden change of opinion, I remember you defending him on this site and clubrsx awhile ago?

 
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the reason i changed opinions is because I thought he had gone from like a 15.8-15.9 down to the 15.1.

but now seeing that what he actually did, there's no way.

when he went 16.9 @ 80mph he had 100lbs weight reduction.

Then he added i/h/e which will give maybe 10-15whp at BEST. and did another 100lbs weight reduction. and then added DR's. And installed a crank pulley and removed power steering, changed motor mounts and added some minor suspension stuff.

Sorry, but that will not take a D17 7th gen from a 16.9 @ 80 to a 15.1 @ 90. Even with a 1.9 60'. This means that he's saying i/h/e and the rest of his tiny 1hp here 2hp there mods knocked off almost 2 seconds in the 1/4 mile and added 10mph to his trap. There's no way. Jesus was mowing my lawn the other day and I asked him, and he said he couldn't even pull that off if he was driving the civic.

His mods alone couldn't get his ET down that low, and his 10mph increase in trap? no way. even if you don't run your best ET, your trap stays about the same. People don't realize the kind of power you have to be adding to get your trap to increase 10mph. i/h/e, power steering removal, and unorthodox crank pulley aren't gonna cut it. in fact, not even close.

My stance is that he was probably using nitrous, and the people who witnessed it didn't realize he was doing it. In fact, his traps and ET are exactly what I'd expect from a nitrous run based on his 16.9@80 previous run.

 
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As usual the facts are all twisted. Reading comprehension Owns YOU for someone so intelligent. First off I just want to thank you for wasting my time. With that said lets start fromt the begining. First time ever at the track with the car, had like 750mi on the odometer 80-90degree air temp and very humid stock full interior and 35psi in stock dunlop tires.
RT .851

60 2.453
330 7.066
1/8 10.881
mph 63.36
1000 14.191
1/4 17.005
mph 80.47

One month later maybe around 1200 mile on the odometer 80-90degrees air temp and very humid again 100lbs gone, 35psi in stock dunlop tires.
Best

R/T .503
60' 2.399
330 7.024
1/8 10.828
mph 64.29
1000 14.139
1/4 16.931
MPH 80.86

2nd best

R/T .468
60' 2.499
330 7.149
1/8 10.958
MPH 64.81
1000 14.224
1/4 16.983
MPH 81.86

10/31/2004
Put the front ES motor mount in before I left. Didn't have time to mess with the rear.

Temp was between 70-75 with Humidity 90% (It was about to rain)
Street setup
I/H/E
Tein stech ans neuspeed strutbar
17's
Tires at 42PSI`
Little over a 1/4 Tank

Best run

60' 2.415
ET 16.252
MPH 85.23

11/15/2004
Same mods as before plus DIY throttle body heater bypass and tightened throttle cable, more weight reduction, no power steering pulley, rolling on stock dunlops with 22psi
15.710@87.32
with 2.342 60ft

15.711@87.89
with 2.338 60ft



Finally the day in question
7000miles on the car and bit more broken in then 750 or 1200
Temp was 50 deg, clear sunny day
All previous mods plus UR crank pulley and BFG radials on stock steelies with 12psi
15.1@89 and 15.1@90

So if you do the math I in fact gained 8.14mph in trap speed from a 80-90 degree day with 99.99% humidity with 100lbs missing, to a 50 degree day with zero humidity and clear skys along with several mods and more weight reduction.
Also we are talking street tires with full PSI and a shitty sixty foot when I was stock compared to BFG's with 12psi and a 2.0 60ft not 1.9 .
As far as the dyno. Most DX's I have been told put out around 90whp stock. Well the day I dynoed it was 90+degrees in the middle of a Firestone parking lot with the sun beaming down and no fan blowing on the engine. I am willing to bet that if I dynoed that day at the track when it was 50 degrees outside I would have put down at least 5 more HP which can make a significant difference in a light car. So I gained aprox 20-25whp over stock.
No I did not have N20, only had N20 for a few weeks now. Yes everyone saw my engine.
And here is the kicker even if I was running N20 how are you gonna account for the fact when i run at least a low 14 this friday and post that video. Cause damn if I was running a 35 or 50 before then in order to shave another second I must be running a 100 shot now on a stock motor. Riiiight. So I guess tha is the only thing left to do. Hit the track this friday and get some vid. I don't expect to run a 15.1 again NA cause it's 90degrees here and not 50 like it was before, but I do expect low 14's on the 50 shot and maybe a 13.9 if I can hook up.
Any thing else I left out?

 
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YUP, the track you run at is at sea level.... or almost... 200 ft elevation. ideal condition, 50 degree temps, no wind or a tail wind, and sea level = some great times.

 
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Redline04 is my fvcking hero.

 
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this doesn't make any sense. the stock lx/dx can trap in the 81-82mph. even a stock EX would have a hard time making an 85mph trap.

you're trying to convince me that from a 10-20 degree (20 degrees increase will yield about a 3whp gain on the D17) drop in temp yet still humid, and adding i/h/e, strut bar, and 17 inch rims, that you went from a 16.9@81 to a 16.2@85? Never mind the fact that you ran the SAME FRIGGIN 60' TIME between the two runs!

 
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Go show em all 14s this friday with a video. Everyone's gonna stop bothering you after that. I must say that is a big accomplishment for a civic tho.

 
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So now you go from 16.9@81 to 15.7@87 with i/h/e, 100lbs additional weight reduction, no power steering, and strut bar. (you were on stock rubber on both runs, with one running lower psi) Yet your 60' only dropped a tenth of a second.

again. sorry, those mods don't support that kind of gain.

 
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he can run 14's all he wants now. he has nitrous. my point is that he deceived everyone when he said he ran his 15.1 and other such runs n/a. with the massive increase in trap speed, there is absolutely no way.