silverem2

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Both 5-speed, can we take them, i raced my friends cavy z24 and we were equal till about top of third then he pulled away. I know those have 160hp stock?? Also, what about the sunflower gts. I just wanna know if it was due to my bad shifting at the time or what. I have gotten much better at shifting then, but im asking if both were equally skilled drivers.

highrollerbjm

ive beaten a cavalier z24 many of times despite their larger engine it doesnt do much...still slow.. you can definatly hvae him in the beginning but to tell u the truth its more of a drivers race if ur both bone stock.. never raced those sunfires but i think those things are UHGUHLEE

silverem2

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"but im asking if both were equally skilled drivers". which one SHOULD win, also, what about those hyundai tiberons and cougars?

Eeeeeeh

It is a driver's race with the Cavaliers, not sure about the Sunfires though. We can beat 4cyl Tibbys and Cougars though

02civic

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is it seriously a drivers race between a Z24 and an EX????

Jrfish007

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The Z24 has a little taller gears, so they shift later than we do. Thus their last power gear (3rd gear) last longer than ours. But since ours is shorter gearing, we keep up with them till the end of third, even with less horse power. So your race sounds about right.

nme3

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hehe sunflower gts, made me laugh for some reason

highrollerbjm

tibbys are the same situation ..ive raced a 2001 tibby with a system, spoiler, and rims..and beat it despite its 153 horsepower... i think they should be able to beat a EX civic must have been the driver?? But the new cougars have a v6 engine..i dont think stock vs. stock wed win..

but as you asked before if drivers were equal in both cars itd be a close race between the civic and cavy z24 thats for sure...

Eeeeeeh

When my cousin first got his 7th Gen a couple of years ago he use to race this guy who had a 2001 Tibby and he would beat him, but it would be very close. They both had AEM CAIs at the time.

detroittosag

i think u should be able to beat a base cavalier, or a z34 model as well, just as the same with the sunfire since, it is the same car. but that's just my opinion. thoes cars are slow, and feel less sporty than ours

WhiteCastle

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^this reminds me that my moms rx330 SUV kicks my civics @rse all over the place....pretty sad stuff.
well at least it can only go in a straight line, hell I have raced a modified GTi with it and beat it too off the line until about 45 50mph
so saddddd......

houstonspecv

sorry but the z24 should win. its about as fast as a 99-00si stock

LazyDog01

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ok simple as it souns the cavalier and sunfire are the same car. they are both J bodys use the same crappy engine. I saw this z24 at the track this kid ran 17.3 in the 1/4 mile i think he stock auto he was going very slow.

EManEX

You are right, the Z24 is about as fast as the 99-00si on the quarter mile. An EX can't keep up with a Z24.

LazyDog01

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what year z24? they dont call the new cavalier z24 it called ls sport coupe. and older z24 have a 2.4 liter hp is 150 stock torque is 167. Our civics EX is 127 hp torque is 114. The new cavaliers have 2.2 liter in all the cars stock 140 hp and torque is 150. this is some basic info for you...

silverem2

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did not know that

LazyDog01

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i used to drive cavalier 1995 ... those cars suck ***

Jrfish007

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I don't know about that keeping up an Si, haven't ever seen them race though. While the cav has more power, it's power band sucks, the motor is very peaky where because of a long stroke that makes it have all that torque. That long stroke make for good torque is also the reason the engine has no top end, the piston velocity is to high at high RPMS, this means it never really devloped all it power.

This why a 300 whp car can blown away by a 450 whp car, the 450 hp car takes forever to devlope the power and then it has to shift, they can't ride out the full power curve. Thus the term a dyno queen.

silverem2

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well my friend said he thinks he hit the speed limiter at 180kph. Mabey, i have no idea tho

houstonspecv

i ran 15.7@88mph stock in my z24, i know someone who ran 15.0@90mph with just an intake. that is more than enought to beat an ex and stay right with an si.

S2000man01

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15.7@88 and 15.0@90.

That's a HUGE time difference for only a 2mph trap speed difference.

something aint right on that....

02civic

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15.0 with just an intake....i'd love to see the slip. cause thats damn fast for a basically stock cavy

houstonspecv

its called traction. and mine was a 96 and his was an 02(subtle changes in the engine)

i only ran a 14.8@92mph with my spec-v with just an intake.

Jrfish007

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Traction? what exactly where you running on? slicks? My old DX ran a 15.6 with slicks on it and all it had done was, well there was no intake or exhaust. lol I unbolted the exhaust manifold and remove everything before the throtle body. I just want to see what the motor could do, so I blew it up, I had my built B16 in the basement waiting. But I found slicks dropped more than a second off my time and the Toyo RA-1's I ran later dropped my et by almost .5 seconds over the normal street tires I used, yok's AVS's.

A spec V I can see doing that, they come with a differential and a nice 6 speed, but I haven't seen a stock cav with any thing but an open differential. Spec V's also have a real nice torque curve, unlike the cavies I seen.

thmmpr

i have raced both in my ex. the first z 24 i raced all i had was intake headers and exhaust. ur right though the battle starts when u shift into third . if u drive it right and u get to third be fore eother one then u r good. the sunflower gts arent much to talk about it was a pretty easy win but hey u got to give credit to chevy for trying to keep up with the imports these days.

EManEX

OMFG

The GT and the Z24 have the same engine and weight about the same too. How can the GT be an easy win, yet barley be able to hang in with a Z24?

and about what chevy is doing to "keep up with" the imports





BTW: The Saturn Ion RL is also rated at 205HP but a recent dyno showed 197HP to the wheels.

CoupeStylz

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power to weight ratio is important, but so are driver skill, gearing and tires.

Jrfish007

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MAybe the sunflower he raced was an slushbox....

HondaBrad01

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On my 2001 Z24, I had CAI, Magnaflow catback, poly motormounts, Eibachs prokits, front strut brace, subframe brace, rear sway bar (I only say the suspension work because it helped my launches and helped elimnate wheel hop)...etc

.....and my best time in the 1/8th (closest track to me), was 9.95

I hate to tell you, but I have CAI/Header/and Greddy catback on my EX....and it wont even come CLOSE to the time slip my Cavi produced. The LD9 engine responds better to aftermarket parts than the D17A2's do. Oh yeah, and both were slushbox trannies.

150 stock hp vs. 127 stock hp......=.....no match.

Jrfish007

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I'll agree that the cavi prolly responds better to after market stuff, older civic also respond better than our poor d17's. But a Z24 is prolly better matched to an Si model Civic, I don't know about prices here and which is better value, but that's just my opinion.