CivicHX01

iTrader: (14)

OK, I just ran my cousin's 03 SI Hatch twice and beat him twice... I was pretty surprised.

Here are the important specs:

01 Civic HX Coupe
Engine:
- D17A6 (V-Tec E Lean Burn) 5-speed
- Injen Short Ram Intake w/ Filter Heat Shield
- 2 1/4 inch custom piping w/ N1 style muffler
- RVM Underdrive Crank Pulley

Concerning Weight:
- 17 Inch White Katana Concept 7

Rubber:
- Kumho 711 Ecsta 205/40/17


03 Civic SI Hatch
Engine:
- K20 (forgot rest of code, but 5-speed not 6-speed) (I-Vtec)
- Injen Short Ram Intake w/ Filter Heat Shield
- RSR Axle-Back w/ 2 1/4 custom piping

Concerning Weight:
- 17 Inch Bronze 5-Zigen rims
- 2 12 inch Subs

Rubber:
- Falken Ziex 215/40/17


We raced on a street that had a slight uphill slope... which i would have thought his torque would have eaten me up??

1st run his launch was pretty terrible so I gained about 1/4 car length and it stayed that way until 3rd gear (75mph)... 2nd run - we launched dead even and were even until I started pulling away at the top-end of 2nd gear (around 5k rpm up) and we stopped at around 75-80 mph again...

Now my questions:
Does my pulley and his added weight make that much of a power difference?

Did his break in period also hurt his car's performance? (He ran his car hard a few times during the break-in period)

And also, I thought the Si Hatch's have a higher redline because I saw his gauges and his redline was the same as mine at 6.8k??

Jodster

iTrader: (8)

The redlines the same. How many miles are on the SI? It honestly take a while before the motor is completely broken in. And it could be that he does know how to drive the car. Not trying to sound like a **** though.

WhiteCastle

iTrader: (1)

Sadly the new SI are not impressive and are infact slower than the older generation SI's

Kloverz

iTrader: (1)

That is true that the new SI is a bit slower, but still tho the SI should of at least pull away from the 7thgen, unless he sucks at driving, or maybe the engine is not broken into, i guess a kill is a kill!!

WhiteCastle

iTrader: (1)

there both 7thgen hehe thought like to note.... I have raced SI's and beat them marginally in my friends 6th gen ex, but his car isnt stock, however he just got bolt ons.. and a little engine work ? He should be boosting really soon
got some bad drivers out there

tripledoublegs

iTrader: (11)

The weight difference is not all that much. The Si has more torque, and a good 40+ hp so I say he is one shitty driver.

Eeeeeeh

I don't get it. I can and have beaten 6th Gen Si's with I/E, and even the people that I haven't raced with 6th Gen Si's, at the track, I get better times than them. And they have the same mods as me.

I even beat my friend who has a 02 Si when I was stock. I haven't raced my friend since I was stock but now he has a CAI.

sw388integra

iTrader: (20)

i ran a ,03 si with just a injen race division cold-air intake, and stomped him!

curbsquirrel

sounds like a bad driver to me....

everyone who says the new Si performs poorly can kiss it...i drive one it ownz you.

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Zzyzx

300+ LBS is in fact alot of extra weight.

01 HX weighs approx 2441 LBS
03 Si weighs approx 2782 LBS

Thats a 341 LB difference and no drop in the bucket.
This extra weight is especially apparent in the corners where wieght is more of an factor.

D17a2-EM2

iTrader: (1)

That seems about right; why are so many people so surprised?
The two letters on the hatch?
"Si"?

Power to weight my friends...

jttegx

iTrader: (3)

^^ explain =|

CivicHX01

iTrader: (14)

ok ... i thought about it... and just realized that he shifted into 2nd before me (i shifted at redline, he must've shifted a bit before redline)...

i guess that could also explain why i started pulling away from him top end, because he was at a lower rpm than i was...

so i guess total it up... 3 factors

1. i had an extra bolt on (pulley)
2. his car was heavier (2 12 inch subs + what Zzyzx said)
3. driver (he shifted before me)

1+2+3 = me winning..

sw388integra

iTrader: (20)

you don't need to make excuses...you won, bump what all these others had to say..i beat one and the guys a good driver..."it doesn't matter if you win by an inch or by a mile, winnings winning." soory, had to quote stupid

Eeeeeeh

He was still racing you right? How do you know that you guys SHOULD shift at the exact same point? Maybe his 1st gear is shorter than yours? I'm pretty sure that an HX and Si don't have the same gear ratios man.

The Weight issue is something not even worth mentioning man.

Hey man, it was a race. You won. What is with you making up the excuses? Why are you acting like you should not have? What's with you!

CivicHX01

iTrader: (14)

haha, yea your right... its cuz its a civic and i'm not used to winning in it lolz...

i looked up the weights of our cars and

HX = 2434 lbs
SI = 2744 lbs

but next time, i'll drive his SI and he'll drive my HX and we'll see what happens...

Eeeeeeh

Be sure to tell him how to launch your car and be sure to ask how he launches his car. Yeah you have a civic and you are not use to winning in it but, you were racing another civic!!

black02si

i have both cars. 2000 si and 2002 si. the two cars are exactly the same stock and mod for mod. the only difference is the 2000 has a lot better top end stock. stock 2000 si i ran a 15.7 at 90mph, stock 2002 si i ran 15.7 at 88 mph. more torque gets it off the line but when vtec kicks in the 2000 it goes. i ran a 14.8 in my 2002 si with i/h/e on stock rims and tires. and yur right about the weight, me in my 2002 si with full interior i weighed 2880. no offense, but i'd call that win bad driving, but on the street a win is def a win what 1/4 times are you runnin with yur car? again i'm not talking **** or anything, just throwin some numbers out for ya.

02civic

iTrader: (3)

not likely....the only thing owned around here are the people that paid good money for a higher performance vehicle and instead got a giant wedge of cheese on wheels.

Blainestang

Well, thats a great way to get people to respect your car, make fun of theirs and offer no proof.

BTW, you are sorely mistaken, because a significant percentage of cars on this forum would take you in a race, including lightly modded 'lesser' civics, my 'base' Mustang, and several other cars that browse this forum. The Si is a good car, just not an impressive car in near-stock form and it doesn't take much for its "lesser" 7th Gen brethren to beat it. PERIOD.

Oh, and for future references, you should avoid making blanket statements like the one above when you drive a 15-16 second car.

Eeeeeeh

I agree. There is not a big enough gap between the 7th Gen Si and the DX/LX/EX as their was with the 6th Gens. Honda shouldn't of have kept 160hp and added 100+ lol.

mad_stylz36

"EEEEEEEEEHHHHHH" where in ept are you I live on the east side. Well anyway I have an 03 si and still have yet to lose to a 99-00 si or to an hx, dx, lx, ex. I would say it was a bad driver, but still on the streets a win is a win. So good kill. Ask the guy what he's launching at, or tell him to quit racing until his car is broken in. But good going anyway.

Eeeeeeh

LOL I'm from the east side also. But yeah, "A Kill Is A Kill."

Spider883

iTrader: (2)

ill race a civic.. even if it is turboed.. it aint no thang.. haha

Eeeeeeh

Give anybody Forced Induction and they can say that lease:

Spider883

iTrader: (2)

hey why u rollin your eyes at me?

WannaBFast

iTrader: (16)

well.. 6thgen si's are not fast in stock form, at least compared to the 01 ex... when done up with serious mods.. they can run mid to low 15's.. given hardcore mods.. they will run 12's

Eeeeeeh

^^ Yeah. No civic is "fast" period lol. At least the ones that we get

Eeeeeeh

What can I say? I am jelous ... Sorry

Zzyzx

depends on what you consider fast is. traight line acceleration.... of course not, corners... well You dont need alot of power to be fast on a road course if you dont have to slow down for the corners....