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Coming home from dinner after work, I was nearing my house when I got stopped by a red light. I was just patiently waiting for it to turn when a stock looking 02 SI pulls up next to me. Only thing I could tell from looking at him was it was lowered and I could hear his exhaust purring. We were on a 2 lane highway with a solid mile to go before the next light so I rolled down my window and asked if he wanted to play around for fun. I knew I was going to lose, but I was curious about the speed difference between an LX and what I thought to be *slightly* modded SI. He looked back at me kinda nervously, but agreed, and we both started to stage a bit.

We were still kinda looking at each other and conversing when the light went green, so we started off kinda slow and hit it at the same time. And right about now was when i nutted myself. We were going 10-12mph when we both punched it, and I just heard his tires light up. I was thinking I would have some sort of a chance with him spinning his tires like that, but it wasnt enough, we stayed dead even till the top of 1st. By now I was thinking, "ok, those SI's arent as fast as people claim them to be." But that thought was quickly shot into the ground when he hit into 2nd and took off like a bat outta hell. I mean gone, cya, lates!

By the time I was up to 50ish he already had 4 or 5 cars on me, and he just kept going. I was ready to **** myself for not buying a SI at that point. I didnt hear any BOV, and I figured it would have had to be a BIG shot of nitrous to pull away like that. Needless to say, I was very curious and VERY jealous.

We both slowed down again, hit another red light, and he asked me if I wanted to go again.
I definetely wanted to see more of this car so I readily agreed. 2nd race, same outcome. Kept with him in 1st until he hit 2nd, then it was all over again. He ran though his gears so quickly I didnt understand wtf was going on. By the time I shifted into 2nd, he was almost into 3rd and pulling father away. I was dying to know what he had, so I got him too follow me into a parking lot and talk to him.

He popped the hood and it looked like any other SI bay to me, only thing of notice was an AEM intake. No nitrous tanks anywhere in the car, no turbo.. just a stock looking SI in and out.
But then he told me his little secret... K20a2, Type-R Cams, DC header, Hondata ECU flash, AEM fuel rail, and a few other little goodies. Now I was beginning to understand why he tromped me so badly. According to him, hes putting out a little over 220hp to the wheels with everything hes done. It was gorgeous, everything looked stock inside and out, but it was making some GOOD numbers. We talked for the better part of an hour about his car and mine, turned out to be a really cool guy who lived around me. He asked about my 7thgencivic.com stickers so i told him to check us out seeing how his wife has a modded 7th gen as well.

He took me for a ride and I fell in love. 8800 RPM redline, and it felt amazing the higher up the rpm range he went. Just a constant pull through all the gears. He's never been to the track, but I bet he would put down some good numbers.

Anywho.. that was my little adventure for the night. It really makes me wanna get a swap now, instead of the turbo route. Definetely a fun car! Hes trying to keep everything hush hush about the car so he can be the perfect sleeper, and believe me he's doing a damn good job with it. The best part of the whole thing was him telling me afterwards when I asked him if he wanted to "play around" he thought I was gonna own him. I dont think he has to worry about that happening anytime soon.

 
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nice story...seems like alot of hp coming from the car! anyways...i'm new to civics and seems like i get "approached" daily about racing or playing around @ red lights, that happen to you guys alot? i mean all i have is a new stock civic. is this what comes with owning a civic?

 
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It rarely happens to me, Im the one who usually initiates the races. Most of the time I KNOW im gonna get beat, but I just like to see what other cars can do.

 
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wouldnt an Si be 4 cars ahead of an LX just naturaly? why were u so surprised

 
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naw, they are only like .5 sec faster in the 1/4 to my knowledge. He had about 5 cars on me before i got outta 2nd, no way a normal SI would do that.

 
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well .5 is somewhere around 5 cars... but u said at the end of second, so it probabaly would of been alot more at the end of the quarter. so it makes sense i guess

 
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yea, Im thinking he was a low 13 sec car. kicked my *** for sure.

 
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Wow, if the car is able to spin tires in 1st without mashing the clutch and dropping it again should have something in there. Sleeper, GOOOOOD!!

 
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not a chance bro...the SI is heavy prob low 14 sec

 
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When are you EM2 owners gonna listen to me when I say that the EP3 is fast? I raced a guy from EP Hatch about a year ago. Both times we raced I jumped 1-1.5 cars ahead of him, but by the time we hit 3rd gear he owned my ***.

I'm sick of these newbies who think that the EP is a slow car. It's damn fast and I have much respect for it.

 
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Yes it is a fast car. I know cause I use to own one. Even the K20A3 is a great motor for mods. Good gains.

 
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k series motors always make a perfect sleeper

 
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Was it white si?
Nice story btw.

Check out this video
http://www.imagestation.com/video/pl...?id=4196599311
He has k20a2 head swap, k20a2 ecu, I/H/E
170whp 9.8:1 comp

 
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I think some of you are mistaken, he has a K20a2 swap, not the a3. So hes gonna be putting out 200hp off the bat. Then throw on all his mods on top and hes gonna be in the 13's. He had stock SI wheels with some sticker tires as well, nothing to really slow him down. I watched that vid and his car pulled harder then that.

There are civics here with the SF kit that put out what 180ish to the wheels and they are in the 13's correct? Why wouldnt an SI putting over 220 to the wheels being only 300lbs or so heavier be in the 13's?

 
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who said it was a slow car? they are a faster then EM2's no doubt, but they are by no means "damn fast" in stock trim. His car on the other hand was damn fast, but that was after a complete motor swap and a engine bay full of goodies. Are SI's quick? Yes. Are they faster stock then I will ever be with bolt ons? Yes. But they are far from "damn fast" cars stock, which I thought I would be racing.

 
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it's okay man there's just some shity, and I mean shitty si drivers out there...I don't know what they are doing. I've seen so many at the track hit 16.3's with i/h/e....meanwhile I'm hitting 15.5's with my heavy *** 17's and all weather tires in Texas heat....oh well.

 
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nice death! but I doubt he was a 13 second Si. if he only pulled 4 -5 cars on you hes prolly mid 14's - low 14's at best. my car is slow as do poo and I can put more then 5 lenghts on a vic, even a few if they run moderate amount of n20. but sounds like his car has the potential. he just might need more time behind the wheel. you should run him again and get it on vid. that'd be pretty cool.

 
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well, traction could have been an issue for this si...I've seen type s's...same motor the si we are talking about has...hit a 13.9 with cai, hondata reflash, took out the rear seats,jack, spare, and had stock rims but with azenis tires...damn good driver...shocked the hell out of me....now this civic has the same motor, but has the toda cam package...from the way the poster describes...giving it the toda ecu upgrade with the cam/valve spring upgrade usually seeing about 225whp and 150wtq on a dyno jet...not bad imo.
edit...never mind, I just reread the post...he said that guy had type r cams...I've been told by type s owners they didn't notice much of anything out of those cams. I saw the 220whp..and immediately thought of the toda package...definitely a 14 sec si.

 
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Hmm I woulda thought those numbers would be faster, but no way to prove it except hitting the track. As for another race, I have his email so ill see if he wants do to another run on camera.

 
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Its entirely possible its a 14sec car, its hard to judge just by car lengths. But on another note, he said he had just picked up the car this tuesday from the shop, and the SI was his 1st manual car as well. Im sure that would play a big role in the race as well, new driver on a new motor. Reguardless, he was very quick and ive ridden in my fair share of fast cars (supras, m3's, sti's etc..) And im by no means the best driver, and with my heavy *** 17s, it could have just exaggerated his win more. Either way, i had fun

 
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well driver acounts for 80% of any race so if he isnt used to the power yet he'll run very bad times. Also I was told that every .1 = about a car length. so if he had you by 5 thats .5 seconds. so if you knew what you ran you'd have a pretty good guess where he'd be.

seen a noob wrx owner run 9.8 in the 1/8 which is about 14.9. mainly cause he wasnt used to the car. so anythin can happen. lol

sometimes losing aint all that bad. lol

 
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No said he had me by 5 cars by the time i was up to 50mph. I didnt even bother to keep on going past then because he was just gone. I didnt even shift into 3rd cuz he was already so far ahead both races.

 
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the k20a2's have 200hp at the flywheel.......whp is around 170-180. Plus they have low torque.......around 140 ft/lbs.

A stock EX at 8psi was dyno'ed at 183 whp and 189 ft/lbs of torque. Catalyst ran a 13.6 and futurersxswap ran a 13.7 with many mods.

Those k20's have high reving motors, but that results in low torque.

His car is prolly in the mid 14's.

 
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yeah, that guys mods to his k20a2 weren't all that...definitely in the 14's

 
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good story, I always liked Si's

 
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230 whp? hes doing high 13's if hes a good driver