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Old 12-13-2003
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Who Do You Think Would Win??

I have an 04 Sentra Se-R Spec-V 6 spd (stock) vs. my Friends 1998 Prelude 5 spd (I/E)

The prelude has 200 hp stock so im thinking he'll prob tkae me im prob like a better driver but not by much at all so who would win
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guess no one knows or wants to answer
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Both are probably low 15 second cars, right, or supposedly better for the 04 SER's. Anyway, Id say Drivers race. So, if you're better, you should win. Also, he may have some more hp, but you have a way better power curve. PERIOD, and he is by no means a lightweight. Out-drive him and you'll win. Oh, and I'm assuming you're going from a dig, right. Going from a roll gives him an advantage.
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I would hope the sentra would win cause it has slightly better stats
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the sentra would definetly win look at the torque difference the spec v has like 180 and that is crazy you will easily take him off the line so i am guessing you will win.

its not a bout horsepower its about torque
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wow. teh nub torque owns j00.

it's not about torque either..... seriously, like wow.

torque is not the determining factor in a race. people seriously need to get over that **** and stop acting like the torquey car will win.

blue honda civic.... explain to me why an S2000 can beat a mustang GT when the S2000 has 153lb/ft of torque to the mustang's 302lb/ft of torque.... yet the S2k is faster? exactly.


now onto the question, I think you can take his lude, however, he has a 4th gen lude, which was the fastest gen. it'd be close, but if you have some good driving skills, I think you can take him.

and don't race him from a high speed roll, cuz he'll probably take it to you.
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ahaha phuckin sentra V-spec R or whatever cant take the H22..trust me
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mmmmm h22 i use to want one in my accord!
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Why not just race and see? who cares what people on this board say. Are you going to go to the guy and say "well..the people at 7thgencivic.com say I'll win"? As far as tourqe always winning? HAAHHAAAAA.
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no im gonna race him just as soon as i get some mods bc hes getting short shifter, and some other **** i know not any hP but still so once i get ss/i/e atleast then ill race him
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whts stock 1/4 mile on like a 99 prelude
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well the s2000 is lighter and it doesnt have to shift until 8900
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Originally posted by Blue_Honda_Civ
well the s2000 is lighter and it doesnt have to shift until 8900
Those are considerable variables, but not quite....

S2000/F20C=TOP END BABY!!!

Torque is nice when coming off the line, and for big burn outs!
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i think it'll be a drivers race. ive seen ludes run low 15' - mid 15's in my area, but ive also seen SER's do the same.
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Originally posted by civic4dizoor
ahaha phuckin sentra V-spec R or whatever cant take the H22..trust me
Ignorant posts like this don't do anyone any good. You gonna back that ridiculous generality up with any facts??? The new Spec-V's have hit 14.7 STOCK. Thats good enough to beat any stock USDM H22 as far as I know. Drivers race, like I said.


Oh, and this whole torque thing needs some explaining. Torque and HP are NOT SEPERATE ENTITIES. HP is merely a recalculation of TQ. So, the way that a torquey car is beat by one that has significantly less TQ is through weight, gears, and revs. The calculation for hp is "hp= (TQ x RPMs) / 5200, so if the S2000 can hold its TQ til 8500rpms, the calculated hp will be MUCH higher than its tq number. The advantage of the Stang is that it has gobs of tq down low and therefore has a much higher HP number down low as well, therefore giving it the advantage there. However, because the 2.0L revs like crazy it can make up for its relative torque deficit by multiplying the TQ by 7900 (its peak if I remember correctly, maybe this is the 04) whereas the GT only multiplies its TQ by 5900 or so. That a big difference. The other advantages of the S2k to make up for the GTs power are its light weight and the 6spd. Gearing. Basically, a good tq number will tell you how flat the overall powerband will be, but a flat power curve does not ensure victory, there are way too many variables.

Therefore, TQ is extremely important, but REVS, weight, and gears can make up that deficit. Otherwise, we'd all be buying F-350 Turbo Diesels and DESTROYING everything on the road.
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Aren't you supposed to break-in the new Spec-V's till 6000 miles? I read that somewhere.
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Not wht i heard and anyway i shifted at like 4000 rpms and didnt come anywhere close to redline when i was racing im not gonna beat on this too bad bc if i **** something up my mom will whoop my *** and take my car and ill have to take the big yellow bus to school
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Originally posted by Blue_Honda_Civ
well the s2000 is lighter and it doesnt have to shift until 8900
he has seen the light!


now you realize, just cuz one car has more torque than the other doesn't mean it will win.
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Blainestang wtf do u know ....u been reading Import tuner magz or what.... let him race his friend ..he'll let us know what happens

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iono man.. blainestang's post seemed way too detailed/"scientific" to be from import tuner! seems like he knows what he's talking about.

anyways.. i'd say once you get your mods you should be able to take him, maybe not by much but yah..
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Originally posted by civic4dizoor
Blainestang wtf do u know ....u been reading Import tuner magz or what.... let him race his friend ..he'll let us know what happens
Really? Blaine's got some good points..... you might learn a thing or two.
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make sure you get vids of the race. also if you think you're the better driver then you should race him with your current setup. most the spec V drivers I've seen can't control their launch very well. if you can you got it made. I think no matter what happens it'll be all driver.
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the reason they cant control launches is bc the LSD Does A SHITTY job, the wheel hop is tremendous, and i drop it from like 2 grand and it just keeps spinning
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^^^ try a str8 drop from a higher rpm and modulate the gas. lsd is meant more to control your wheel spin through turns then on acceleration. especially the stock one. I'm sure someone makes a stronger aftermarket version.

ALOT of people make the mistake of giving it too much gas off the line. Including myself from time to time.

It's especially important in the V because of the amount of torque. Thats why drag tires instantly help out. even if you give it a lot of gas off the line your wheel spin is minimized by the amount of traction the drag tires give. just get in alot of practice and you'll get good at it! good luck.
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thanks i need the luck bc im afraid of the amount of wheel hop off the line so im gonna get new motor mounts and drag radials and prob just 2 new front rims and tires bc i dont need or have enough money for 4 new ones
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also if you know when you're gonna run him lower your tire pressure to about 18 psi. it'll give you a larger contact patch and give more to help reduce the wheel spin!
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106 posts, hmmmmm

I have a feeling civic4dizoor has no clue what he is talking about. Where are you points to the lude winning? Besides something like man they look meen I think it will win.
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