drifting a front wheel drive???
is it possible to drift a front wheel drive??? 
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not a "true" drift no. but if you got a beefed up e-brake you can powerslide and pretend your drifting.
Maybe?
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Drift...
Drifting is a technique used through a turn to change a vehicle's attitude for a proper exit. Practicing this technique is good for a vehicle that has under or over-steer problems in cornering.
Race Drift - This is performed at race speeds, when entering a high speed corner a driver lifts his foot off the throttle to induce a mild over steer and then balances the drift through steering and throttle motions. (note: the car that is being used for this style of drift should be a neutral balanced car therefore the over steer will induce itself, if the car plows through any turn this technique will not work).
Braking Drift - This is performed by trail braking into a corner, then loss of grip is obtained and then balance through steering and throttle motions. (note: this is mainly for medium to low speed corners).
Faint Drift - This is performed by rocking the car towards the outside of a turn and then using the rebound of grip to throw the car into the normal cornering direction. (note this is heavy rally racing technique used to change vehicle attitudes during cornering, mainly tight mountain corners).
Clutch Kick - This is performed by depressing the clutch pedal on approach or during a mild drift to give a sudden jolt through the driveline to upset rear traction.
Shift Lock - This is performed by letting the revs drop on downshift into a corner and then releasing the clutch to put stress on the driveline to slow the rear tires inducing over steer. (this is like pulling the E-brake through a turn - note this should be performed in the wet to minimize damage to the driveline etc.)
Emergency Brake Drift - This technique is very basic, pull the E-Brake or (side brake) to induce rear traction loss and balance drift through steering and throttle play. (note: this can also be used to correct errors or fine tune drift angles).
Dirt Drop Drift - This is performed by dropping the rear tires off the road into the dirt to maintain or gain drift angle without losing power or speed and to set up for the next turn. (note this technique is very useful for low horsepower cars).
Jump Drift - In this technique the rear tire on the inside of a turn or apex is bounced over a curb to lose traction resulting in over steer.
Long Slide Drift - This is done by pulling the E-brake through a strait to start a high angel drift and to hold this to set up for the turn ahead. (note: this can only be done at high speed).
Swaying Drift - This is a slow side-to-side faint like drift where the rear end sways back and forth down a strait.
FF Drift (Front Wheel Drive Drift) - The E-brake as well as steering and braking techniques must be used to balance the car through a corner. (note: the E-brake is the main technique used to balance the drift).
Power Over - This performed when entering a corner and using full throttle to produce heavy oversteer (tail slide) through the turn. (note: needs horsepower to make this happen).
Drifting is that fine line of control just before an uncontrolled skid. In racing, a car is usually considered to be drifting when all of its wheels are slipping, but the front wheels are still more-or-less pointed in the direction of the corner, or at least straight. Beyond that, when the car gets more sideways and even harder to control, it’s sliding. Drifting is the fastest way through a corner, and makes full use of the tire’s capabilities. But sliding is not the fastest way. Although sliding sideways, with the tail of the car hanging out and the steering in full opposite lock, looks spectacular, it’s slow. And it causes excessive tire wear.
A drift is started by breaking the rear tires loose in a controlled manner in a corner. There are several ways to do this, and all work because of weight transfer. An understanding of the effects of weight transfer under braking, cornering, and acceleration is vital for understanding why a car will drift instead of spin out, and when it will cross the line from drift to spin. Fast reactions by the driver and a high level of driver skill are also necessary – drifting is not a beginner’s technique.
A rear-wheel drive car with understeering handling near its limit of cornering but enough power to break its rear wheels loose in a corner is the ideal machine for drifting. An all-wheel drive car with sufficient power will also work. Even a front-wheel drive car can be made to drift, but that needs special techniques.
At the limit in a corner in an understeering car, the slip angle of the front tires is greater than the slip angle of the rear tires. The front tires are being worked to their maximum capability, but there is some traction in reserve in the rear. If sufficient power is applied to the rear tires of that car in a corner, the traction available to counteract the centrifugal force of cornering will be force. But, because of the weight transfer toward the rear under power, the rear tires gain more traction capability (to a point) at that time, and can handle more power or resist more sideways force than might be expected. As long as there is a balance between the power applied and the centrifugal force due to the car’s cornering speed, the drifting car will be stable. But it is a precarious, knife-edged balance that requires skill and careful attention to attain. Smoothness is absolutely important. Smooth changes in throttle can steer the car; sudden changes in steering, throttle, or braking can send the out of control.
In an all-wheel-drive car, a drift may also be initiated by sharply turning the steering wheel into the corner, and then accelerating and decreasing the steering a certain amount. You’d want to do this after the turn-in process is completed, just before the apex, while setting up for the corner exit. The car is still decelerating, so weight is shifted forward, giving the front tires increased traction. When the steering wheel is turned (sharply but in a controlled manner), the front wheels pull the car forward in the direction in which they are pointed. The rear wheels develop an increased slip angle and swing wide. Acceleration at this point transfers weight back toward the rear wheels, increasing their tractive ability as in the rear-drive car above. Coordinated use of the throttle and steering wheel keeps the car pointed in the desired direction, as with a rear-drive car.
If you can shift weight rearwards faster than the tail goes out in oversteer, you can control an oversteer slide. This will work if the oversteer is caused by the car’s suspension design. Some highly-skilled racing drivers prefer a car that oversteers at its limit because of this. The car will need rear-wheel drive and plenty of power in order for this technique to work. For most cars and most drivers, this may be a more theoretical than a useful technique. If the car is already in a power oversteer slide, weight is already transferred to the rear and the power through the rear wheels is overpowering their lateral traction. More power at that point is not what is needed.
It is also possible to start a drift in an understeering rear-drive car by momentarily locking up the rear wheels while turning. This reduces their traction, and they will slide toward the outside of the corner. Immediate application of power will control the slide. One way to do this is to shift down to a lower gear in a turn. This will momentarily lock the rear wheels. If the driver is skilled enough, a quick application of power can prevent a spin. This technique has been used by racing drivers in the past, but is not recommended except as a last-ditch effort to keep from understeering off the road. The forces through the car’s drivertrain and suspension in this situation may easily break something important, particularly with the grip of modern tires.
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Drift...
Drifting is a technique used through a turn to change a vehicle's attitude for a proper exit. Practicing this technique is good for a vehicle that has under or over-steer problems in cornering.
Race Drift - This is performed at race speeds, when entering a high speed corner a driver lifts his foot off the throttle to induce a mild over steer and then balances the drift through steering and throttle motions. (note: the car that is being used for this style of drift should be a neutral balanced car therefore the over steer will induce itself, if the car plows through any turn this technique will not work).
Braking Drift - This is performed by trail braking into a corner, then loss of grip is obtained and then balance through steering and throttle motions. (note: this is mainly for medium to low speed corners).
Faint Drift - This is performed by rocking the car towards the outside of a turn and then using the rebound of grip to throw the car into the normal cornering direction. (note this is heavy rally racing technique used to change vehicle attitudes during cornering, mainly tight mountain corners).
Clutch Kick - This is performed by depressing the clutch pedal on approach or during a mild drift to give a sudden jolt through the driveline to upset rear traction.
Shift Lock - This is performed by letting the revs drop on downshift into a corner and then releasing the clutch to put stress on the driveline to slow the rear tires inducing over steer. (this is like pulling the E-brake through a turn - note this should be performed in the wet to minimize damage to the driveline etc.)
Emergency Brake Drift - This technique is very basic, pull the E-Brake or (side brake) to induce rear traction loss and balance drift through steering and throttle play. (note: this can also be used to correct errors or fine tune drift angles).
Dirt Drop Drift - This is performed by dropping the rear tires off the road into the dirt to maintain or gain drift angle without losing power or speed and to set up for the next turn. (note this technique is very useful for low horsepower cars).
Jump Drift - In this technique the rear tire on the inside of a turn or apex is bounced over a curb to lose traction resulting in over steer.
Long Slide Drift - This is done by pulling the E-brake through a strait to start a high angel drift and to hold this to set up for the turn ahead. (note: this can only be done at high speed).
Swaying Drift - This is a slow side-to-side faint like drift where the rear end sways back and forth down a strait.
FF Drift (Front Wheel Drive Drift) - The E-brake as well as steering and braking techniques must be used to balance the car through a corner. (note: the E-brake is the main technique used to balance the drift).
Power Over - This performed when entering a corner and using full throttle to produce heavy oversteer (tail slide) through the turn. (note: needs horsepower to make this happen).
Drifting is that fine line of control just before an uncontrolled skid. In racing, a car is usually considered to be drifting when all of its wheels are slipping, but the front wheels are still more-or-less pointed in the direction of the corner, or at least straight. Beyond that, when the car gets more sideways and even harder to control, it’s sliding. Drifting is the fastest way through a corner, and makes full use of the tire’s capabilities. But sliding is not the fastest way. Although sliding sideways, with the tail of the car hanging out and the steering in full opposite lock, looks spectacular, it’s slow. And it causes excessive tire wear.
A drift is started by breaking the rear tires loose in a controlled manner in a corner. There are several ways to do this, and all work because of weight transfer. An understanding of the effects of weight transfer under braking, cornering, and acceleration is vital for understanding why a car will drift instead of spin out, and when it will cross the line from drift to spin. Fast reactions by the driver and a high level of driver skill are also necessary – drifting is not a beginner’s technique.
A rear-wheel drive car with understeering handling near its limit of cornering but enough power to break its rear wheels loose in a corner is the ideal machine for drifting. An all-wheel drive car with sufficient power will also work. Even a front-wheel drive car can be made to drift, but that needs special techniques.
At the limit in a corner in an understeering car, the slip angle of the front tires is greater than the slip angle of the rear tires. The front tires are being worked to their maximum capability, but there is some traction in reserve in the rear. If sufficient power is applied to the rear tires of that car in a corner, the traction available to counteract the centrifugal force of cornering will be force. But, because of the weight transfer toward the rear under power, the rear tires gain more traction capability (to a point) at that time, and can handle more power or resist more sideways force than might be expected. As long as there is a balance between the power applied and the centrifugal force due to the car’s cornering speed, the drifting car will be stable. But it is a precarious, knife-edged balance that requires skill and careful attention to attain. Smoothness is absolutely important. Smooth changes in throttle can steer the car; sudden changes in steering, throttle, or braking can send the out of control.
In an all-wheel-drive car, a drift may also be initiated by sharply turning the steering wheel into the corner, and then accelerating and decreasing the steering a certain amount. You’d want to do this after the turn-in process is completed, just before the apex, while setting up for the corner exit. The car is still decelerating, so weight is shifted forward, giving the front tires increased traction. When the steering wheel is turned (sharply but in a controlled manner), the front wheels pull the car forward in the direction in which they are pointed. The rear wheels develop an increased slip angle and swing wide. Acceleration at this point transfers weight back toward the rear wheels, increasing their tractive ability as in the rear-drive car above. Coordinated use of the throttle and steering wheel keeps the car pointed in the desired direction, as with a rear-drive car.
If you can shift weight rearwards faster than the tail goes out in oversteer, you can control an oversteer slide. This will work if the oversteer is caused by the car’s suspension design. Some highly-skilled racing drivers prefer a car that oversteers at its limit because of this. The car will need rear-wheel drive and plenty of power in order for this technique to work. For most cars and most drivers, this may be a more theoretical than a useful technique. If the car is already in a power oversteer slide, weight is already transferred to the rear and the power through the rear wheels is overpowering their lateral traction. More power at that point is not what is needed.
It is also possible to start a drift in an understeering rear-drive car by momentarily locking up the rear wheels while turning. This reduces their traction, and they will slide toward the outside of the corner. Immediate application of power will control the slide. One way to do this is to shift down to a lower gear in a turn. This will momentarily lock the rear wheels. If the driver is skilled enough, a quick application of power can prevent a spin. This technique has been used by racing drivers in the past, but is not recommended except as a last-ditch effort to keep from understeering off the road. The forces through the car’s drivertrain and suspension in this situation may easily break something important, particularly with the grip of modern tires.
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Rep Power: 0 the on-ramp to the highway near my house is a 180-degree turn, and with a little E-brake/throttle combo, you can smoke the front tires all the way through the turn and across 3 lanes of highway...awesome trick to show off, not so awesome when it's time to buy new Z-rated 18s...anyway, i guess that's not really drifting, but it's as close as i've come, and it's pretty damn fun...
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Rep Power: 511 i used to pretend to drift in my civic, by doing glorified e-brake slides.. one time i pulled it at about 60 on a curve, did the whole counter steer thing, then my car was thrown into a "drift" the other way on an s curve.. it was pretty fun and scary as ****.. but fun nonetheless..
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Originally Posted by thrash_273
how do you do that????? kindly explain it in a simple manner... i wana learn.
Originally Posted by rEkKaShInObI
FF cars can kinda sorta drift? but not as well as a FR.
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Rep Power: 511 here's how i was able to do it..
-find a 90-ish degree turn (left or right turn, whatever) with a straightaway leading into it
-accelerate down the straightaway
-pull the e-brake, then turn into it (you can kinda brake into it too, depending on your entry speed)
-as your rear slides out, countersteer and accelerate through the turn to maintain your momentum
-speed away and hope that you didnt get caught
seeing as how i havent done that for a while, thats the basic gist of it.. i think..
-find a 90-ish degree turn (left or right turn, whatever) with a straightaway leading into it
-accelerate down the straightaway
-pull the e-brake, then turn into it (you can kinda brake into it too, depending on your entry speed)
-as your rear slides out, countersteer and accelerate through the turn to maintain your momentum
-speed away and hope that you didnt get caught
seeing as how i havent done that for a while, thats the basic gist of it.. i think..
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Originally Posted by rEkKaShInObI
FF cars can kinda sorta drift? but not as well as a FR.
the reason to that is b/c in FF cars the front wheels do the turning and the driving, where as the FR..well you get the idea
only problem in an FF car drifting is the wheels catching at during the turn, if you can keep the wheels burning w/o them catching and maintain steering...your good to go, and dont forget your rear sliding out, so e-brake
much more difficult in an FF so i would still stay with the FR's much simpler
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Rep Power: 468 LOL guys don't do something dum lmao! your gonna **** around and flip your car or something lmao....if you wanted to drift you should of gotten a different car hahahaha.
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Originally Posted by thrash_273
interesting.... hmmmmm. anymore tricks?? so i need to get hold of my e brake while doing that basically right?
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Rep Power: 401 ok heres how you drift in a FWD car, get on a street, go the speed limit, take the exit that says "mcdonalds", get out, go inside mcdonalds and grab 2 of their trays, slide them under your rear tires and start tray sliding.
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Originally Posted by thrash_273
ohhh yeah...... that's the game... actually i did it but im not satisfied and sure if its right or wrong..
well you can't do it in your stock civic bro....that's the truth.
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Rep Power: 282 YESS!! I didn't think it was possible untill i saw this drift vid with a highly modifed old school vic going against some 240sx's... that guy has some skill... if someone could host it.. i could upload it
