What is a good suspension system overall?
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What is a good suspension system overall?
I was thing Tein SS with neuspeed pretty much all around(upper strut bar, lower tie bar, x brace), but would you guys do?
I would recommend getting the neuspeed pieces in place and then decide on getting the Teins or whatever.
The reason is: You will notice a dramatic difference with the front upper strut, lower x brace.
I actually like the stock shocks/springs a lot more now that I have the other pieces in place and I might not upgrade until I really need to replace something.
The lower rear tie bar would be nice, but you won't feel the difference (or so I hear). I personally decided on getting the Spoon Sport RSX upper rear strut bar and I really haven't felt any difference either, but certainly the car is much more solid feeling, and the difference with my 3 parts is night-and-day compared to stock. I hear that if you add or upgrade the rear sway bars, that the rear upper strut bar helps a lot more. Either way, the parts are a positive for the car, no real downside.
So I'd say do what I did: Front Upper Strut first, X Brace second, Rear Tie or Strut after that. Drive it like that for a bit, and decide if you want Teins.
The reason is: You will notice a dramatic difference with the front upper strut, lower x brace.
I actually like the stock shocks/springs a lot more now that I have the other pieces in place and I might not upgrade until I really need to replace something.
The lower rear tie bar would be nice, but you won't feel the difference (or so I hear). I personally decided on getting the Spoon Sport RSX upper rear strut bar and I really haven't felt any difference either, but certainly the car is much more solid feeling, and the difference with my 3 parts is night-and-day compared to stock. I hear that if you add or upgrade the rear sway bars, that the rear upper strut bar helps a lot more. Either way, the parts are a positive for the car, no real downside.
So I'd say do what I did: Front Upper Strut first, X Brace second, Rear Tie or Strut after that. Drive it like that for a bit, and decide if you want Teins.
Any quality full coilover set up (whether height adjustable or non adjustable) is worth it. It's one of those things that doesn't necessarily lead you to believe that you need to modify your suspension any further when you can have a lowered ride with great ride quality and a sporty feel.
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The lower rear tie bar would be nice, but you won't feel the difference (or so I hear).
The lower rear tie bar would be nice, but you won't feel the difference (or so I hear).
Lowering a car first is better than throwing chassis/strut stiffening bars on the car beforehand. All it does is promote oversteer on stock suspension if the car isn't lowered to it's center of gravity. With the car lowered first, you can then find out how your car will truly benefit after putting on strut and anti sway bars, x-braces, etc. More so, you can figure out what your car needs from your own personal driving style. Lowering a car is the first step, but choosing bars isn't gonna be something everyone can agree upon. There were sooooooooooooooo many people on this site afraid to use 22mm rear anti sway bars because all they knew was that it would rip off the subframe from it being too thick. More people use it now while others think it's too thick. Personally now, I wouldn't see a real reason to upgrade my car with strut bars as I'm happy with just the rear anti sway bar, and maybe much later I'd consider some strut bars.
wait till end of april, tein coming out new Tein Basic Damper, i believe cheaper than Tein SS, the difference is that Basic Damper is ~damping force is not adjustable, otherwise same to Tein SS.
why not, i wait.........and get that Neuspeed upper strut bar together, then do at once~
why not, i wait.........and get that Neuspeed upper strut bar together, then do at once~
I have the Tein SS coilovers and the ride quality is unbelievable...night and day.I adjusted the dampening 6 clicks back from the factory setting(recommended). I also have the Progress rear sway bar/lower tie bar combo but I still have to install that
Aren't we forgetting camber kits? They greatly help with performance. The best suspension mod you can do are your tires. When it all comes down to it, what should the only thing that touches the road from your car? Your tires. The bigger the contact patch, the faster you can go around corners.
Originally posted by ASWZero
Aren't we forgetting camber kits? They greatly help with performance. The best suspension mod you can do are your tires. When it all comes down to it, what should the only thing that touches the road from your car? Your tires. The bigger the contact patch, the faster you can go around corners.
Aren't we forgetting camber kits? They greatly help with performance. The best suspension mod you can do are your tires. When it all comes down to it, what should the only thing that touches the road from your car? Your tires. The bigger the contact patch, the faster you can go around corners.
Tires should be the first modification.
Camber kits aren't exactly necessary, but they do help even tirewear more. A car with negative camber will handle better than a car with positive/no camber.
Which reminds me, I need to get my rear off of 0.
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What is the thing about progress 22 mm anti roll bars and such, i mean how much and where can you upgrade our cars, in terms of suspension and things that
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What is the thing about progress 22 mm anti roll bars and such, i mean how much and where can you upgrade our cars, in terms of suspension and things that
What is the thing about progress 22 mm anti roll bars and such, i mean how much and where can you upgrade our cars, in terms of suspension and things that
You can upgrade your suspension as far as any new generation Civic/RSX can. Whether it be brakes, struts, bars, springs or full coilover set-ups. It all depends on how far you want to take your suspension and how much money you're willing to spend. For instance, if you're willing to dump about $800 on springs/coilovers w/Koni shocks and a rear anti sway bar, you have a great handling car on the street. If you want to put in about $300 more, you can get an entry model full coilover setup - spend a little more and you can have track worthy suspension for your Civic that's still streetable.
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Everything has a different function.
Sway bars AKA anto-roll bars AKA stabilizer bars prevent body lean during cornering. Thereby they increase traction during cornering since the frictional force betwean the tire and the ground does not vary linearly with the downwards force applied on it.
Strut bars help to keep the suspension aligned during cornering. They help to transfer the forces that want to flex everything from one side to another thereby increasing cornering yet again and with an added benefit of extra steering response (since it eliminates the flex).
Tie bars help to tie the lower part of the suspension together so that they do not flex. Again, this helps in cornering. Less flex means the tires lay flat with the ground. They also serve as a backup function to reinforce everything so that the forces produced by your cornering do not rip apart your suspension.
Camber kits will hlpe you control the camber of the wheels so that they can stay flat during a corner. As you turn they will get more and more flat instead of the other way around. Our front suspension has this property already, so the camber should be 0 up front. As the McPhearson strut comperesses it cambers inward.
Coilovers (AKA shocks and springs) are very important. A full coilover will have the biggest impact on the handling of the car IMO. You can get stiffer springs and shocks that do not compress as easily so that during cornering your car will be flat. You can lower the car so that there isn't as much mass up top to make the car lean when cornering.
Wheels and tires are also importatant. A large wheel will mean a smaller sidewall on the tire. A smaller sidewall on the tire will mean less sidewall flexing when cornering. Although some damping provided by the tire is good to smooth out all of the little bumps in the road. Tire width makes the contact patch greater and increases adhesion during cornering.
That's about it.
So... I'de say for our cars get...
1. 16's /w 225 width tires
2. full coilovers with height adjustability and damping adjustability and camber plates
3. camber kit for the rear (Hotchkis one looks nice, not out yet though)
4. Spoon Sports strut bars
5. Progress Group front and rear sway bars (includes rear tie bar)
6. Neuspeed front X-Brace
7. Roll Cage (Stiffens everything even more)
8. Comfy Seats (so you don't fall out)
The above is what I plan to get eventually for my ride.
Some of it I already have.
Sway bars AKA anto-roll bars AKA stabilizer bars prevent body lean during cornering. Thereby they increase traction during cornering since the frictional force betwean the tire and the ground does not vary linearly with the downwards force applied on it.
Strut bars help to keep the suspension aligned during cornering. They help to transfer the forces that want to flex everything from one side to another thereby increasing cornering yet again and with an added benefit of extra steering response (since it eliminates the flex).
Tie bars help to tie the lower part of the suspension together so that they do not flex. Again, this helps in cornering. Less flex means the tires lay flat with the ground. They also serve as a backup function to reinforce everything so that the forces produced by your cornering do not rip apart your suspension.
Camber kits will hlpe you control the camber of the wheels so that they can stay flat during a corner. As you turn they will get more and more flat instead of the other way around. Our front suspension has this property already, so the camber should be 0 up front. As the McPhearson strut comperesses it cambers inward.
Coilovers (AKA shocks and springs) are very important. A full coilover will have the biggest impact on the handling of the car IMO. You can get stiffer springs and shocks that do not compress as easily so that during cornering your car will be flat. You can lower the car so that there isn't as much mass up top to make the car lean when cornering.
Wheels and tires are also importatant. A large wheel will mean a smaller sidewall on the tire. A smaller sidewall on the tire will mean less sidewall flexing when cornering. Although some damping provided by the tire is good to smooth out all of the little bumps in the road. Tire width makes the contact patch greater and increases adhesion during cornering.
That's about it.
So... I'de say for our cars get...
1. 16's /w 225 width tires
2. full coilovers with height adjustability and damping adjustability and camber plates
3. camber kit for the rear (Hotchkis one looks nice, not out yet though)
4. Spoon Sports strut bars
5. Progress Group front and rear sway bars (includes rear tie bar)
6. Neuspeed front X-Brace
7. Roll Cage (Stiffens everything even more)
8. Comfy Seats (so you don't fall out)
The above is what I plan to get eventually for my ride.

Some of it I already have.
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