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Alright, i have a 01 4dr LX, i pretty much had my mind made up to go with either the eibach sportline or pro-kit. but then i've seen pics and read that the rear has a tendency to sag with them. I was just wondering if there are any other springs that i should be aware of that would cause my car to sag in the rear or have caused any problems with the sedan and also what people with sedans have used and would recommend. THanks in advance.

 
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Sorry I dont know myself.... But I did just purchase the Eibach Pro-Kit for mine but havent had the change to install them yet still sitting in the box on my floor along with my 18" Konig Tantrums

 
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i think the springs sagging actually has to do with the shocks. i can't really back this up except for the ramblings of honda tuning in their "EM suspension work" article a while back, and my own experience. i have neuspeed sport springs, and the rear sagged badly, especially after my trips to and from school with the car loaded down. i got Koni adjustables over christmas and the back doesn't sag anymore, it looks damn good. so i'm pretty sure it's the shocks, and if you're gonna go with springs, save the money and get shocks too.

 
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go with goldline or neuspeed. [IMG]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/IMG] i got gold line, looks awsome, no sag.

 
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I read the honda tuning article as well. Struts don't support the weight of the car so I don't know what happened in that case.

I have a sedan and had pro-kit springs for about a month. The rear lowers about 2 inches while the front goes down an inch. Stay away from eibach and any other manufacturer that doesn't differentiate between the sedan and coupe.

I now have newspeed sports and I don't have any kind of sagging problem. Every sedan owner with neuspeed springs will tell you the same thing. I have a sedan and know first hand....I haven't read something on this board or heard about it...

Trust me, save your time and money and do it right the first time. Go with neuspeed. They have springs for the sedan and coupe so make sure you get the right ones.

You're welcome to pm with any questions or concerns. Us sedan owners are so few (on this site anyway) that we must stick together...lol

 
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Mbow- Where did u get ur neuspeed springs at? and what is a good website, so i can find them for a decent price. Thanks.

 
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I got mine off the groupbuycenter for $145 shipped. I bought them back in June or July so I am not sure what they currently sell for but you shouldn't pay much more than 145 with shipping.

 
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alright thanks oh yea by the way do you have any pics of your car.

 
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dude YOU DECIDE... HERE.. THE first picture is Sportlines... taken sunday... the second picture is of tonight.... notice the front.. the kept the rear the same....
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lol second picture is Ground controlls

 
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Mbow is right. Beaver i'm in the same boat as you are. I have a 2002 civic lx sedan and i want to lower it. My friend has a 2001 lx sedan and he lowered it this past summer with the eibach sportlines and the rear of the car is way lower than the front. It looks like ****. Honda coupe springs won't work on sedans. Your rear will be a lot lower than the front. I just ordered the Neuspeed Sport springs for my sedan. Specify 4 door. 1.75 inches up front, 1.5 in the rear. It will look nice!!!

 
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That eibach sag is horrible on your car chenz, the pictures aren't showing up, but i checked your members rides pics, is ground control working out better for you? I really like the neuspeed sport drop, i found them for $159 at www.modacar.com , they have a big selection of good prices for springs for our car, if anybody has any other sites they go to or know of, let me know, thanks.

 
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APRboy, where did u buy your springs at and how much did it cost? Thanks

 
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you have to be long'd in to see them..[IMG]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/IMG]

 
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I have Neuspeed Sports on my 01 EX and they look really nice with my 215/45/17's. I am beginning to have an urge to go LOWER though. Anyone have any info on the Neuspeed Race springs on the sedan? I think I might get them with a set of Tokico's once they come out. Speaking of which, does anyone have any info on those Tokico's???

 
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Hey Beaver, i live in Canada. I'm far away from California. Up here in the great white north i got them for $300 cdn, which is around $200 u.s. i think--taxes in, shipped to me. They are by far the best springs for our 4 doors. I just have to wait till april for this god damn snow to go away!!! We usually don't get much in our are but this year it came down hard. I live between Toronto, Ontario, Canada and Detroit. Go with Neuspeed Sport. I've heard nothing but good things. IF not neuspeed, try H & R. They have a 1.75 f, and 1.5 r for sedans too.

 
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beaver, i have a 2k1 sedan ex. i have read that the ex is heavier than the lx and will sag more. but in your case, it shouldnt be too bad. but you MUST (in my opinion) get some shocks. after you drop the car i can gaurantee you that your car will ride like crap. you will be bouncing all over the place. i was riding on H&R sports (1.75 drop in the front and 1.5 in the rear) with stock shocks and it was bouncing pretty badly. and it sagged in the rear big time also. then i invested in a set of koni yellows. the konis helped even out the drop and it made my car ride better than stock. (the 2k1 civic stock shocks had a bad bouncing problem in the rear. i dont know if they fixed that yet.) so now its stiff like heck. i upgraded my rims to 18s on 35 series tires, and i still love the quality of the ride. so i strongly suggest you get some really good dropping coils and definitely some shocks. and like they say, "you get what you paid for." so invest in some quality ****. oh yeah, a couple of subs in the back will make a big difference also. so do some more homework on this and good luck!

 
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I was going to post a similiar thread today, but you beat me to it. I've got an 2001 ex sedan with a 12" sub in the trunk, & two amps. Basically after reading through many threads, everyone seems to agree that the Neuspeed Sport Springs are the ones to get. I really didn't want a drop that low, but if they're the best, then that's what i'll get. Also, it seems like "to do it right" you defiently need to get shocks, and it seems like KONI yellows are the ones to get. Are they a direct replacement, or do you have to mod anything? Has anyone DIY or should this be left to the professionals? My daily driver commutes around 600 miles per week, so whatever drop I do, I want it to be quality, nice smooth ride, not BoUnCy. Thanks for the help [IMG]i/expressions/beer_yum.gif[/IMG]

 
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for people interested still, i got my neuspeeds at aieonline.com for $145 shipped, no price difference between coupe or sedan, race or sport springs. and get the koni yellow adjustables, they're great.

 
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So it seems like the shcoks are the way to go....to bad i'm working at KFC and am poor, i'll have to see how it goes with the neuspeeds w/o shocks for now, but i do have 2 12" subs and a pretty heavy box in the trunk, how much of a difference do you think that will make"

 
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To do it right you need; Struts, Springs, AND Camber kits for at least the rear.

Don't get me wrong though, I have front and rear camber kits with my neuspeeds but no struts. Well, the konis are sitting next to me bed waiting for me to find some time. It's gonna be so nice to not bounce up and down the road anymore......

If you have heavy subs in the rear it will cause the rear to be slightly lower depending on the amt of weight. It will blow the stock struts quicker and will cause you to bottom out more in the rear.

I think I made it about 3-4 months before my struts were completely blown. You have a little time. Just remember that each time you mess with the suspension, you will need another alignment.

I put prokit springs on and got an alignment - $60. Took prokit off and put neuspeed and camber kits on and got an alignment - $60. Now, I am about to put konis on and will get an alignment - $60. Arrgghh...coulda, shoulda, done it all at once and saved the extra $120.

Most people drop the car with springs and never do anything else.

 
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I agree w/ you, do it right once, the first time, that's all good, but w/ the Koni's being adjustable, if you were to alter the adjustment on the koni's then would you need ANOTHER alignment?

 
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konis aren't adjustable height - they are the same height no matter what, which also happens to be the same height as the stock struts. the adjustable part of konis is the damping rate. you can adjust from little damping (soft) to a lot of damping (hard), and the theory is that you can tune it to your tastes and also to the springs you have, since all springs are different. but adjusting the damping rate doesn't do anything to the alignment, so you wouldn't need another alignment. you only need an alignment every time you take your suspension apart, such as to replace springs, struts, camber kits, whatever.

 
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Opps! My bad! When I said "mess", I meant changing out springs, struts, putting in camber kits, etc....I thought this was common knowledge but if you haven't lowered a car before you wouldn't know this...I apologize for any confusion.

The konis are height adjustable in the rear but not the front.

If you can wait for another manufacturer to release their struts, I would most certainly do so.

 
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If you look up the part numbers, you'll see that the rear springs for the coupe and sedan are different. You want to make sure you get springs specifically made for the sedan, no matter what brand you buy. This has all been kicked around before and should be in the archives.

It is the springs that set the ride height. That's why people often have their shocks blow when running stock shocks/struts with lowering springs. That's also why you have to cut the bump stops when you lower a car.

 
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mbow, you bought koni's, but you recommend waiting for someone else to release struts, is that cause of $ or what?
this thread is very helpful, one more question, if the back koni's are adjustable, when they're altered, would that cause the need for a re-allignment? what camber kits would you guys recommend while we're on the subject? thanks for all the help

 
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I say wait for another manufacturer because the konis are cheap and the design is terrible imo. The front is an insert and requires the destruction of the strut. The rear strut...well, there is a thread on tokicos in the "Suspension" forum where I posted pics of the rear strut and what I think of them.

I recommend SPC camber kits.

Adjustment: You can see how the adjustment is done in the other thread. It allows about a 1/2" of adjustment but the lower setting is supposed to be comparable to stock strut's perch. So, the higher setting is basically useless...

Link to the aforementioned tokico thread.

 
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hey sorry that this is a late response to everything but Chenz posted pictures but the only thing I see are the RED X. Does ne one on here have a picture of the drop. I would keep searching in members ride, but my comp keeps freezing. Thanks

 
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Konis are great, and I don't think cutting the struts is such a big deal. I paid $125 for a like new set of struts from a salvage yard, so I could cut them and install and still have stock struts if I want to strip and trade or sell the car. Plus I have had the luxury of driving with Konis for almost a year now while people are stil waiting for Tocicos. That was the choice to be made at the time and I'm glad I did it.

I got the springs, then the Konis, then the sturts as I could afford them, but had them all installed at the same time so only one alignment needed. No camber kit required with ProKit springs.

 
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