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hey people.... i was looking for the type R rear sway bar on clubrsx.com. I came across a guy that sells products off and on ebay. well anyways.. he offered me $135 shipped for the Type R Rear Sway w/ bushings.
do you think i need new brakets to mount the 22MM sway bar? i know for the type S 19MM.. we can still use our stock brackets.. but this is freakin 22MM.. so what do you think? i was thinking about this.. Type R sway is bolt on for Type S.. Type S sway is bolt on for Civic EX.. so in essense.. does the Type R sway become a bolt on for the Civic EX?

 
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you'll need the Type S brackets.

its a bolt on for ex.

brackets shouldn't cost u any trouble from an acura dealership. or hondawerx, or acuraautomotiveparts.net

STOP. DO NOT buy from him. 135 is a good price, compare to the major markup clubrsx.com store does.

http://www.aj-racing.com/

$83 dollar.

wow? yes.

 
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OMG! its cheap! thank you buddy! compared to Hondawerx.. this is 10x better... hondawerx still has the best prices for revo and oem kit though.. handsdown!

 
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if you are going to get the type-r one, you should also consider other structual reenforcements, because that bar might tear your frame apart

 
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only the rsx sway bar that is 19 mm will work good.

 
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From what I've read, the 22 mm sway bar is strong enough to induce serious oversteer. So unless you are driving in copetition it might be a little too much for everyday driving. And like one guy said, if you keep putting more and bigger sway bars, etc, sooner or later some other part of the unibody frame is going to go. Given enough traction and twising forces, something has got to give somewhere.

 
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amen to the 19/22mm bar dispute. I have the 19, and had my rear toe set at 0. My car is a beast now, it has alot of oversteer and freeway driving is a bit scary. You can play with both front and rear toe-in if you want to fine tune your suspension. BTW, the Type-S and EX brackets/mounts are EXACTLY THE SAME. I did the swap off my dad's rsx-s and they are exactly the same, no need for new ones. The rsx-r bushings use the same brackets also. BTW a tiew bar or soemthing is in order to reinforce with a 22mm bar.

 
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you'll need to contact ajracing directly to buy it though.

they have dealers though, I'm not sure if they'll direct you to them. but hopefully you can buy it for 83 bucks off that site. if not, my bad. heh.

in either case, I dont think the brackets are the same. the Type s one is a bit bigger. I have compare them side to side, they're different..

mugen (hondawerx) also posted up pics comparing them, they're different.

as for the 22mm, you'll need a tie bar to reinforce your subframe, its not safe to drive with that much more increase in stiffness.... I'm not sure about the oversteer it'll produce though (the 22mm)

 
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Oh great...

Bullshit.

You have oversteer? Is your car lowered? Thank you for verifying the brackets. That is very true. Everyone thinks that you need to brackets... NO, you need the bushings.

Actually I had the 22mm one on for about a month and drove agressively without a tie bar. The structure of the chassis is still just as new and because it's the exact same as the one of the car it comes off of, I don't think the DC5R even has a tie bar. The DC2R did I think. Anyways, if you want a tie bar, I'd get it but don't lose your head over it. If you autocross, then I'd get one just in case.

The brackets are different but they have no more purpose than the original brackets. The stock brackets are fine, just use the bushings. The stock brackets won't break. We had an autocrosser with this anti sway bar who used the stock brackets. Complaints? None whatsoevAr.

And the oversteer issue. I have none. You're gonna get oversteer with a 22mm bar if your car isn't lowered so it can be at it's center of gravity. Suspension mods should go in this order so you don't have to endure anything that would have a big risk in altering performance. (This is my opinion.)

1. Wider/stickier tires
2. Lowering springs
3. Struts or strut bars/anti sway bars



This is the bar on my car. Looks like those brackets don't fit? I've had no problems with the bar at all.

 
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You run like that with stock shocks?

Someday someone is going to mod their Civic so much, it's just gonna implode.

 
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at the moment, my car has the Nuespeed front strut bar, Factory front lower sway bar, DC sports lower tie bar, Bomz 45MM upper strut bar. i think all i need is thicker lower sway to improve the handling. i called AJ this morning.. they are on backorder on the DC5-R lower sway bar. he said if i use the stock bushings, which comes with the bar, i will be fine. poly bushings wouldnt be needed because it is on a civic. "lighter car" i quoted him. oh yeah.. ETA for the bar is late january of 03. anyways.. progress makes teh same 22MM lower sway for our car... they didnt suggest that we need to use their tie bar... well did they?

 
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i thought the progress comes with an intergrated lower rear tie bar.

jan. doesn't sound too bad. hey, its 83 bucks. can't complain right?

I'm just saying the brackets are different, heh. I'm not saying the stock ex ones wont work. heh.

 
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The funny thing is... with all those bars you have on your car, you could take them all off, put the rear anti-sway bar on... and the ride would be better with the 22mm one alone. That's why it's called an "anti sway" bar. Oh well, at least you're not getting the 19mm one. Sure it's better than our stock one but why be on the level of an RSX? They happen to upgrade to 22mm and thicker... so why not you?

Anyway, that's a steal for the 22mm price at aj-racing.com. ClubRSX I think has it for like twice that price shipped. I'd definitely get it.

Progress comes with a polished rear lower tie bar. And just in case I didn't mention it before, the difference between the JDM DC5R bar and the Progress one is color and weight. The Progress bar weighs in at 17lbs while the DC5R bar weighs in at 10lbs. Our stock 15mm bars are 5lbs.

 
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Because the Progress one comes with the tie bar, I'm sure the tie bar has some suggested use for that sized rear anti sway bar. [IMG]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/IMG] Personally I don't see why people complain about a 22mm bar. Without a tie bar, the one I have doesn't really seem that "dangerous" as everyone claims but better be safe than sorry for the long run.

On top of that, tie bars are super cheap. People buy rear lower tie bars for their car and claim it a performance mod, but for what? Nothing if they don't have the right sized rear anti sway bar. It doesn't change anything in the handling department it's only there to support a bigger bar, so if it's just there for looks, I consider it rice for the car trying to look like it has sharp handling.

 
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how does having a tie bar be considered rice? especially coming from someone with a TYPE-R logo as there user picture? you gotta be frickin kiddin me!

 
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Are YOU friggin kiddin me? It's a Type R logo that signifies I LIKE the Type R. You are a thick headed moron thinking that I'd be foolish to contradict myself through a USER ICON. If you are trying to diss I suggest you take it to someone with your level of insults. "Look! His USER ICON says 'Type R'! Rice!" I'm impressed... that was the gayest thing I've ever heard coming from someone who riced out their own ride and doesn't know the meaning of rice... typical... no, stereotypical ricer. Bitch please, stupidity ownz joo.

 
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You got a lot of nerve name calling over the internet, you dont know me and I dont know you.... I wasnt starting a flame at all. My car looks a hell of a lot nicer than yours, get some frickin hub capsor better yet some rims.. For being an ultimate member you sure are rude and immature. You need to loosen up and realize this is just a message board man. Its funny how you get all bent out of shape over just a simple comment. Imagine if had said something that was acutally insulting.. gz.. and what is "ownz joo" sounds like someone sneezed.

 
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Yes you do... in fact, you know for a fact that my userpic signifies rice.

I could care less about what your car looks like or what mines looks like. Your opinion or anyone else's opinion are fumes. It's funny you think I flamed your ride - I never said one thing in particular about your car yet you talk **** about mine? Anyways.

Yeah I'm so sorry if my member status threw you off. I guess it'll take me another year to grow up.

Oh, this thread would be locked/deleted by now... [IMG]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/IMG] j/k

 
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Oh, and it's clear you like to make fun of other members but your poor ignorant speculation just got thrown back at you. In fact it's not even ignorance, it's stupidity from thinking you actually did know something about me. Lay off the assumptions... now you know I don't like it when I'm assumed to look stupid and I now know you're very bad at doing such a thing. Today's lesson is over.

 
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Hey, man, lighten up a little. You don't want to lose your "ultimate" status, do you?

 
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I'm cool.

 
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alrighty chill guys. heh.

btw, its 12mm (01) and 13mm (02).. not 15mm.

not sure what the 03s have, I forgot.

I got the 19mm cuz the 22 wasn't as available at the time, plus... I thought the increase in stiffness was too extreme for me. and at the time I didn't need it, and I didn't want to spend another 30 bucks (it was 30 at the time) on a tie-bar

now just cuz the RSX guys are going a step up to the 22, doesnt mean we should. especially when their front sway bar is smaller than ours. (23mm vs 25.4mm)

on another note, according to acrua.com, the RSX's front 23mm is tubular... while the rear 19mm is a solid piece... hmm.

Suspension tunning, shouldn't be about the stiffer the better... IMO, supension tunning is about getting it to handle the way you want it to handle. Some of us like it stiff and corners like its on rail, some of us dont. some of us prefer understeer (not a lot) and some of us prefer oversteer... and some just wants that perferct neutral handling...

so lets not get too emotional over this. heh.

you know there are cons to anti-sway bars right? its not all positive stuff...

 
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well.. i just installed the BOMZ rear upper strut bar for my car. i had to shave the bracket on the driver side of the strut bar for a perfect fit! hah.. yes i know what you mean.... "HAMMER IN MY STRUT BAR".. i was about to.. but realized that my hack saw can do the trick.. with a fresh coat of black paint too... too keep it looking good. its stiff enough now.. maybe at the end of january.. i might go with the 23MM.. or if some1 sells me their 19MM for $50.. i'll go with that instead. cuz i was thinking.. $83 for Type S.. or $86 for Type R.. of course type R in my opinion. but oh wells. i should be getting a digi cam. i'll take pics of my car and post it online. hahaha i hope none of the bayarea folks jack my car! LOL

 
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"Suspension tunning, shouldn't be about the stiffer the better... IMO, supension tunning is about getting it to handle the way you want it to handle. Some of us like it stiff and corners like its on rail, some of us dont. some of us prefer understeer (not a lot) and some of us prefer oversteer... and some just wants that perferct neutral handling..."

That's it exactly. With the Neuspeed front upper strut bar, and a rear upper bar, Pro Kit and Konis, I've played with the Koni settings to get the balance I want for the way I drive. It's really pretty neutral. I think I've got enough stuff now, without going to the bigger rear sway bar. My best test is to go up Moteagle mountain at 80 MPH and see if it feels comfy. The speed limit there is 55 and ther's three lanes one way, so I can usually reproduce the trial runs. Everybody's just gotta find what they like and do it , I suppose.

 
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Heh..Monteagle?!...you need to go up Lookout Mtn via Nickajack Rd on the East side of the mtn....or even up by Rock City via St. Elmo. Now those are some killer mtn curves. Back when I had the Prelude, I took those curves at speeds I wouldn't DARE take in any other car. (I had new Falken Z tires on it and wanted to test them out). I later tried them in my SHO with the suspension on full firm, but it just wasn't the same.

 
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I been up them roads in my Firebird, but the Civic loses too much speed and can't get it back with that little engine. I like going up the East side of Monteagle because it's fast.

 
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Did I say 15mm? My bad... actually the new Si hatches have the 15mm one.

And 02s have the 12mm one just like the 01s. 03s are the same, there's no need for Honda to change it. I have all their 7th Gen Civic brochures and they've all been 12mm rear anti sway bars.

The only difference between the suspension in the 01 and the 02 are the stiffer struts in the 02. I would know... I have an 02, have been in an 01 and 02 with lowering springs on stock struts... the 2k2s are much better and it appears that the 02 Civics share the same struts as the new Si when ground control compared the struts from an 02 Civic coupe and an 01.

 
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Stabilizer Bar (mm, front/rear) DX: 25.4/NA HX: 25.4/13.0 LX: 25.4/13.0 EX: 25.4/13.0

check honda.com in the used model library.

But hey, honda could be wrong. seriously. heh. they're weird.

in fact, according to Honda, the 03s have: 15.9 front / 12.0 rear only for the LX and the EX

go figure. I really dont know if they're right. heh.

I dont have a 02 so I duno. but I do know they worked those spring rates a bit more... so the car is less bouncy.. I think they changed the rear spring and shocks rate...

all I know is, the 02 should handle better than the 01s. not sure about the 03s though.. gotta wait till I see more diagrams and parts list

 
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Heh, I don't think it would make too much of a difference. Stock suspension sucks despite the small improvements for driving in regular instances. The new Si would handle much better as it has so much less body roll. I kept hearing one time that the Si uses suspension from the CTR. I find it funny that most people who talk bad about the new Si talk about how bad it's engine is, but what about the handling department? If it sucks, it wouldn't surprise me... that's one heavy mini-minivan.