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So here's the deal. If you're racing the car, camber plates are a far better alternative to crash bolts. Crash bolts move around under heaving loading, throwing your alignment out of whack. Camber plates, which move the whole strut/knuckle assembly all at once are a much better option in the fact that the angle between the the wheel and strut doesn't change, so the suspension reaction stays the same as it was intended. Laying the strut over for more negative camber also has some cornering advantages.
The current problem.... the amount of camber plates that fit stock struts is 2. Hotchkis plates are almost $400 and eliminate the ability to use a strut tower bar. Ground Control plates only work with GC uppermounts and they adjust from the bottom... which makes they useless since the tire needs to come off to play with them.
Now.... you can buy a set of camber plates from Tein for $210 or so. They just don't fit on stock sized struts (that would be Stock, Koni, Tokico, KYB, Tein SS and Basic and all other systems which are designed to use stock upper mounts. The upside is the pillowball bore is universal and all you need is new hardware that mates the pillowball to the strut.... and I've already designed it, and it works. So... my question is, is anyone interested in the conversion? The hardware kit is a new topnut to hold it all together and a new spring seat. Right now I've got one for 2.5" springs, which is pretty universal as far as racing springs go. I believe Tein uses a 70mm ID spring, which is a little larger, but that can be adapted in relatively easily.
I'm not selling them yet (I may not at all). So don't flood my PM box with orders. I'm just trying to figure out if anyone would want them. Right now I'm making them by hand and it takes about 6 hours. If a lot of people want them, I can ask if a local shop can run me a batch.





If I do em by hand.... I can pretty much charge whatever I want, but material+something reasonable for the time it takes to make them would be what I'd charge for em. I'd say $40-60 for a pair of seats and crown nuts. If it goes to a shop, I don't know. But anyone who does want them can let me know, just be aware that they may not be the fastest delivery items you've ever bought.... 1. I need to work them in to my school schedule, 2. I need to be able to use the machine shop, which is sometimes busy. They're over designed.... there's probably 2x the material that ground control uses on their seats, I really don't feel like breaking one. Good thing is that they're aluminum, so they're still light.
Anyone interested in it?
Oh, stock sized springs look like a no-no. I'd need to design something totally new with a bigger spacer for the plate and I have no car to test it on, nor do I have time to design it again.

 
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i would buy em. in fact, im very interested in getting them. lol.

wait, so are you selling them or no? cuhz first you said youre not selling them yet, and then you said "anyone who does want them can let me know". im confused.

 
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I'm gauging interest. So if you'd be interested.... say so. But they're not "for sale" yet.

 
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how much better is it really? 'cause u basically need to buy the Tein upper mount which is like $200+ and plus your "adapter" kit, which would total around $260 or so.

the question is, does it really worth $260 just to convert to camber plates? how heavy of a load does it require for the stock crash bolt to move?

 
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wait, i read it again. i suck at reading.

well, like i said...im very interested

 
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Stock crashbolts don't move, they're the same size as the hole they go through. Adjustable camber bolts do move... for an exact amount, I don't know but mine moved 1/2 a degree (thats a lot) in about 3 months according to the same alignment rack. If you're beating the hell out of the car on a regular basis, then yeah, they're worth it... it also eliminates all the rubber in the system making it a direct hard connection all the way through. Rubber adds slop, but is comfy. Camber plates are also easier to adjust and they're more for tuning than they are for correcting your alignment back to stock. Most people put plates in to add camber, not take it away. When you add camber with crash bolts, you're basically tilting the tire inwards towards the strut. Go far enough with a wide enough tire and you'll hit the strut.

 
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hey, dont they have out a caster plate or something along those lines? I need a product to change my caster. My caster is within specs, but my car pulls to the right because the caster on the right is more positive then the left. Too positive, or maybe it was more negative, cant remember.