Going lower...adjusting the damper...?
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Going lower...adjusting the damper...?
Okay, I have the Tein SS full coilover set up with the adjustable damper, yada yada yada.
Well moral of the story is the front does not go low enough and has a lot more wheel gap than the back, so I want to sell to get the B&G's so I can go as low as I want.
A guy on here, HustlelikeaMOFO, suggested I soften up my damper since I was on the stiffest setting possible, and that would possibly make my car lower.
I loosened the damper all the way, and somehow I didnt even scrub (i have 19s...). But it didn't seem to go lower... It rode alot softer but didnt lower it anymore, would this take a little bit to settle? He said he has seen the Teins tucking all the way around but I cant seem to get it and nobody else can either...
Should I just say **** it and sell them and buy my B&G's or is there any hope of getting rid of my 1 finger gap in the front fender...
Well moral of the story is the front does not go low enough and has a lot more wheel gap than the back, so I want to sell to get the B&G's so I can go as low as I want.
A guy on here, HustlelikeaMOFO, suggested I soften up my damper since I was on the stiffest setting possible, and that would possibly make my car lower.
I loosened the damper all the way, and somehow I didnt even scrub (i have 19s...). But it didn't seem to go lower... It rode alot softer but didnt lower it anymore, would this take a little bit to settle? He said he has seen the Teins tucking all the way around but I cant seem to get it and nobody else can either...
Should I just say **** it and sell them and buy my B&G's or is there any hope of getting rid of my 1 finger gap in the front fender...
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Rep Power: 0 Based on my experience with TEIN SS, the damper adjustability on TEIN does not affect height. The reason being, the damper adjustment is done with the turn of the ****. Unlike Hayames, they are done with pre-loading the springs which in return affects the height (unfortunately).
I couldnt comment on TEIN SS with the Civic since I have them on my previous WRX. But the concept should be the same.
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I couldnt comment on TEIN SS with the Civic since I have them on my previous WRX. But the concept should be the same.
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Rep Power: 320 Yeah- that is a good point, but theoritically I would think that by loosing up the springs (i.e. softening your ride damper) the springs would compress more...
Im not a suspension guru by any means so I may just sound dumb asking this but im not sure.
In the end- I just need to go lower, which at the moment, my options looks like selling the Teins and buying B&G's since I want to keep a nice riding full coilover system... I am just worried that I could possibly be downgrading going from the Tein SS to the B&G's but the B&G owners seem to be quite happy...
Im not a suspension guru by any means so I may just sound dumb asking this but im not sure.
In the end- I just need to go lower, which at the moment, my options looks like selling the Teins and buying B&G's since I want to keep a nice riding full coilover system... I am just worried that I could possibly be downgrading going from the Tein SS to the B&G's but the B&G owners seem to be quite happy...
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Rep Power: 0 The adjustment on TEIN SS is done by the struts and not the springs. I am also aware that the more you lower the height on TEIN SS, the springs gets compressed. So, there are two ways to stiffen TEIN SS, compress the springs (lower height) and the ****.
Again, as opposed to Hayames pre-load (compressing the springs) the height goes higher.
And I should have gotten the TEINS Basic at least instead of the Hayame
Again, as opposed to Hayames pre-load (compressing the springs) the height goes higher.
And I should have gotten the TEINS Basic at least instead of the Hayame
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Originally Posted by dacivic
Well it also depends on tire size. If you are running something larger of course you will lessen the gap more.
Well Im riding on the softest damper setting, did not seem to lower the car but nor do I scrub. I have actually never had my damper this soft and man does it feel nice!!!
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Originally Posted by flotsamm
The damper wont affect ride height, all it does is dampen the bumps. To set the ride height you have to adjust your springs or coilovers etc.
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Rep Power: 417 thats just the way teins were designed. that idea is the idea of an optimistic person.
I have d2's and 215-40-18s(slightly smaller than 215-35-19s) and I rub in the front.
Maybe you can buy a different set of springs. Although this isnt great since the damper isnt designed to handle anything lower. You also might be able to get away with taking off one of the locknuts and just keeping 1 to lower it slightly. But yeah your probably going to have to get something else if you want to go lower though.
I have d2's and 215-40-18s(slightly smaller than 215-35-19s) and I rub in the front.
Maybe you can buy a different set of springs. Although this isnt great since the damper isnt designed to handle anything lower. You also might be able to get away with taking off one of the locknuts and just keeping 1 to lower it slightly. But yeah your probably going to have to get something else if you want to go lower though.
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Originally Posted by 518
I am also aware that the more you lower the height on TEIN SS, the springs gets compressed. So, there are two ways to stiffen TEIN SS, compress the springs (lower height) and the ****.
Again, as opposed to Hayames pre-load (compressing the springs) the height goes higher.
Again, as opposed to Hayames pre-load (compressing the springs) the height goes higher.
When you adjust the height on the tein SS your actually taking off preload and putting "negative preload" in order to lower the height. I think it was you who said this was a "safety issue". Thats why I say its not because tein uses this method on their basic and ss coilovers
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well, when u bought the teins, i am sure that u knew that they didn't slam like other coilovers. Adjusting the dampening will not affect the ride height at all. Did you slam them all the way ???? If you wanna go lower, then B & G's are the way to go.
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Originally Posted by VNlilMAN
Actually your concept of this is wrong. Compressing the spring is putting preload on it correct? well how is this any different from the hayame? When you put preload on the hayame it raises right. Well same with teins, if you put preload on them it raises too. It has the same exact effect.
When you adjust the height on the tein SS your actually taking off preload and putting "negative preload" in order to lower the height. I think it was you who said this was a "safety issue". Thats why I say its not because tein uses this method on their basic and ss coilovers
When you adjust the height on the tein SS your actually taking off preload and putting "negative preload" in order to lower the height. I think it was you who said this was a "safety issue". Thats why I say its not because tein uses this method on their basic and ss coilovers
How? because I believe unlike Hayame, TEIN SS doesnt have 3 perches. TEIN's external design is just like the Skunk2 or GC that when you lower the car, you are compressing the springs. The only difference with TEIN and Skunk2/GC is that TEIN comes with shocks. Unfortunately, lowering the ride on TEINs affects the cars stiffness because of the compression. Lowering the height on TEIN is accomplished by shortening the spring thru compression which results into pre-load, unfortunately.
I only said it was a safety issue about the springs not being locked on the top strut. You said on the other thread that manufacturers without 3 locking perch should be recalled, didnt you? So I said, if you are going to be very **** about the safety issue, the 4" drop on hayame isnt safe. Correct? 2 locking perch is not as hazardous as riding 4" drop while your springs are not secured on the top strut.
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Originally Posted by 518
How? because I believe unlike Hayame, TEIN SS doesnt have 3 perches. TEIN's external design is just like the Skunk2 or GC that when you lower the car, you are compressing the springs. The only difference with TEIN and Skunk2/GC is that TEIN comes with shocks. Unfortunately, lowering the ride on TEINs affects the cars stiffness because of the compression. Lowering the height on TEIN is accomplished by shortening the spring thru compression which results into pre-load, unfortunately.
I only said it was a safety issue about the springs not being locked on the top strut. You said on the other thread that manufacturers without 3 locking perch should be recalled, didnt you? So I said, if you are going to be very **** about the safety issue, the 4" drop on hayame isnt safe. Correct? 2 locking perch is not as hazardous as riding 4" drop while your springs are not secured on the top strut.
It seems as if your not familiar with how conventional coilovers with just 2 locknuts work. If i remember and i'm not feeling lazy i'll draw a picture or something that explains how it works
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Originally Posted by civic01vtec
well, when u bought the teins, i am sure that u knew that they didn't slam like other coilovers. Adjusting the dampening will not affect the ride height at all. Did you slam them all the way ???? If you wanna go lower, then B & G's are the way to go.
Well obviously alot has change, I wanna slam the **** outta it, I have 19s, and I have a body kit
Plus, The B&G's had not been released yet at the time of my purchase and if they had nobody really had them, and Teins were like the best suspension available so it seemed the only way to go since I didnt wanna drop a lot of money just to have springs and koni inserts...
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Originally Posted by VNlilMAN
haha i was like that too.. i said i would never drop my car or put a kit. only thing i wanted was a system and maybe rims. its an addiction i swear... i have problems.. someone me
meNow I wanna be able to drop 3+ inches...
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I'm at 2.5" with 18s and I rub in the front when i turn it a lot. I tucked the black fender well in and it seemed to help a little but eh it still rubs. dont want to raise it tho
I'm at 2.5" with 18s and I rub in the front when i turn it a lot. I tucked the black fender well in and it seemed to help a little but eh it still rubs. dont want to raise it tho
i told you from personal experience. when i set up my damper to almost the softest setting my car went down a tiny bit lower after a week or so.
also, memeber here LogicWavelenth has TeinSS and he has them lowered all the way on 215-35-18 and about half an inch of his rear tire was tucking and there was absolutley no gap in the front..... he also had his damper at like 12 clicks to the left.... i met him at atlantic city couple weeks ago and i was really surprised that he went so low with Teins.
also, memeber here LogicWavelenth has TeinSS and he has them lowered all the way on 215-35-18 and about half an inch of his rear tire was tucking and there was absolutley no gap in the front..... he also had his damper at like 12 clicks to the left.... i met him at atlantic city couple weeks ago and i was really surprised that he went so low with Teins.
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Rep Power: 424 The damper **** just readjusts the valving inside the shock body for when the piston compresses. It doesn't change the initial or final length, it just changes how much fluid passes through the valves and how fast the valves open and close. They change the ride, not the height.
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Originally Posted by VNlilMAN
215-40-18 is still a little smaller than 215-35-19... you can do 3" rear but not 2" up front. Well not unless if you just want to do straight 
I believe I have more than 2" up front now... And there are many members in the front dropped lower than me in the front with 19s and tucking tire in front... It works.
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Rep Power: 417 nope they're not wider.. they're exactly the same 215 and 215...
who has their car lower with the tire tucking up front? they probably only took it for picture purposes. I doubt they can drive with a tucked front. well unless if they dont mind not being able to make a full turn.
eh i'll post pics of my car once i wash it
who has their car lower with the tire tucking up front? they probably only took it for picture purposes. I doubt they can drive with a tucked front. well unless if they dont mind not being able to make a full turn.
eh i'll post pics of my car once i wash it
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Originally Posted by VNlilMAN
nope they're not wider.. they're exactly the same 215 and 215...
who has their car lower with the tire tucking up front? they probably only took it for picture purposes. I doubt they can drive with a tucked front. well unless if they dont mind not being able to make a full turn.
eh i'll post pics of my car once i wash it
who has their car lower with the tire tucking up front? they probably only took it for picture purposes. I doubt they can drive with a tucked front. well unless if they dont mind not being able to make a full turn.
eh i'll post pics of my car once i wash it
I feel like Im argueing against a wall with you... The topic was not can I tuck my front tires...
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Originally Posted by VNlilMAN
See those two statements are wrong... With tein ss, you lower the car by lowering the perch. Lowering the perch causes the springs to decompress(if not decompressed already). Compressing the springs would only put more preload on the springs thus raising it, not lowering it.
you are correct, Im confused 
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