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ok atfer talkin to the guys at JIC about some things i find out that the hondas have a design flaw that is if you lower the car to much you can break your rack & pinion... dont think anyone else knows about this... but here part of message from JIC.

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I don't recommend you to go too low
on the EP, the reason is because Honda has a design
flaw on the EP and DC5, which will cause you to break
the rack and pinion if you lower the car too much.


Regards,

Ben
JIC USA

 
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I can believe it, also from a performance standpoint there is very much a thing as Too low.

 
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yea, its usually not good to go too low anyways, it actually messes up ur handeling...

 
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anytime you lower a car it will put some stress on components, they will break prematurely. Personally 1.5 inches is low enough for me.

 
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^^^ what a post *****, he said the same thing... Zzyzx

 
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i agree, but some people are running around with 3-4" of drop..
that would suck if there driven around and there **** goes out..
just looking out for the rest of the 7th gens

 
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Yes, but how hard are these people pushing their cars? I'd think not very. Put one of them out on a track, and I'd wager they'd come back with a broken civic. putt around on the street, and they probably wouldnt have a problem

 
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Just curious... how is it a design flaw and Honda's fault if you lower the car? As far as Honda is concerned, it works just fine, because it works the way they designed it, at the height they say it should be at. You lowering it becomes your problem and something for the aftermarket to solve. Honestly I think the new strut design is stupid because it didn't remove the bumpsteer or torquesteer like they said moving the steering arm and rack was supposed to. Flawed in that respect yes, but from the standpoint of lowering it and causing damage, thats not Honda's problem... besides, thats the case with any car, there is such a thing as too low.

 
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i am just passing on a warning i recieved, what the exact specs for the"flaw" are i do not know, i havent tried to test it nor do i plan to. there is obviosly something there that caused JIC to say that, as far as to low, thats respetcive to the vehicle, and purpose, some cars do have a "to low" point others dont. i have been running lowered vehicles and what not for the better part of 8 years. as far as racing yea you may find a point where the car is to low, since the geometry of the car changes so drasticaly, but if the geometry is correct you can go lower, with modifaction, but thats a whole nether thread. with the civic IM JUST WARNING PEOPLE THEY COULD DAMAGE THERE CAR BY GOING TO LOW, according to JIC. thats all...... maybe i should just keep it to my self next time

 
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rack/pinion is associated with the tie rods right. Most likely cause the tie rod ends are positioned up so high when you lower the car thus putting extra added stress. wouldnt a strut that has a lower steering arm fix this?

 
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this is all the rest i know.....

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It is a design flaw where the tie rod will hit the
upper frame or max out on the angle when you hit a
bump or dip.

Ben
JIC USA

 
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when i had my neuspeed race, ya it was pretty high but i dont think it was ever close to hittin the frame. but ya i guess it could possibly be a problem. but then my hayames have a lower steering arm than most struts. Its almost at the stock position at a 2.5" drop

 
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Hell my car was so low that when i went over a "raised" sewer cap I ripped one of the brackets that hold the gas tank up


Good thing we have two brackets......

My car has the stock springs back on, but if you look in my sig you will see my next mod, some real suspension, not some cheesy springs. I don't need to be slammed anymore, so the teins will do just fine

 
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This makes me wonder if Hayame's position for the lower steering arm fixes the issue.

Is Hayame's strut design the new solution?

 
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Not really new. I believe Mugen was first to report that relocating steering arm will eliminate or minimize excessive bump steer. I understand their sport suspension (not adjustable, for EP3) was in R&D 2 years before release. KW mentioned thier CO resolves same issue about 6 months ago. Hayames for our model is most recent entry, haven't seen any feedback regarding bump steer, but same principle - lower steering arm - so it should work. Wish I could afford one.

 
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Yeah, I forgot about KW... didn't ever look at Mugen's but thanks.

 
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ya it seems to have helped bumpsteer. I took pictures of the tie rod position with the race(not sure how well it came out), maybe i'll also take it with my hayames