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in january i was privy to recieve an "engineering sample" of the TenzoR big rotors...

i installed them with minimal difficulty, (some material needed to be ground off the calipers)

i've rather enjoyed having them on the car, and now i need to cahnge my pads... i'm going from EBC red, which was too much brakes... to EBC Green...

i figured i might as well look into getting replacement rotors as they are a 2 piece setup, so i called tenzoR...

and thats when i found out how worthless their company is...

Tenzo rep : "have you had the rotors resurfaced?"

ME: "no. i'm just looking to get a spare set of rotors so i can get them cryogenically treated with no down time"

T: "so they don't need to be resurfaced?"

M: "i'd like a spare set, can you provide them, or can a reseller?"

T: "When we tested those, we decided that they should last several years without needing replacement. If they aren't performing right, you should look into having them resurfaced. we don't sell or stock replacements, you can just buy another kit"

then they tried to tell me that no other company sells replacements... when i pointed out that AEM, BAER, Fastbrakes, and other NOT ONLY sell replacements, but have a parts interchange number with brembo... so you have the option of getting replcements from them... the a-hole at tenzo proceeded to tell me that brembo had replacements for these too...

i thought at one point Tenzo was a good company... was i wrong? my interaction with them have really shown them to be a second rate rice company whose products are more fashion than function.

 
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I never took tenzo to be anything spectacular. I'd honestly pass it over. I wouldn't classify it as pure ****, but Its nothing up to the likes of Baer, Brembo or Wilwood. What you may want to look at... are they really 2 piece? Or did they put fake rivets on? I know they pull that crap with the rims... they may be lookers and not functional.

 
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there are relitivly few companys that I trust with my breaks, and all of them SPECIALIZE in breaks. I don't quite trust companys that make all sorts of parts for cars with somthing that my life depends greatly on.


EBC Red stuff grips less then the EBC Greenstuff. they are designed for 2 different things, the Redstuff is for Heavy Street cars or track use, while the Greenstuff is for lighter cars and Autocross/w occational track use. that being said, the green stuff will stop you quicker then the redstuff, but the redstuff will last longer and be more resistant to fading

 
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I always thought Tenzo had a bad rep. but now I know for sure!

 
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Where do you guys get your red stuff/green stuff pads? I've only been able to find 1 or 2 places to get them, any suggestions would be appreciated!

 
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The Tire Rack

 
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OK. i'm not retarded. nor would i let anyone else work on my car. they're a good product, legit 2 piece constuction, with high carbon content rotors... they use very nice grade 8+ hex head bolts.

the kit uses the factory calipers and has very well made relocation blocks included.

 
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the red stuff grips alot more actually.

it's a harder compound and therefore requires more pressure to do so... but it also has more prescise control for threshold braking. the green stuff has more initial bite... but when you get the pads hot the ABS comes on more than with the red stuff... less control... more drivablity...

 
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First off, the Redstuff needs to warm up to reach peak effectivness. Secondly, even at peak effectivness they still don't grip as well as the greenstuff. As far as threshold breaking, thats a skill thing. The only reason you think they give you better contlrol over threashold breaking is becaus they take longer to reach it. And Because they take longer to reach Threshold breaking, your breaking distances Increase.

And Since when Does the ABS coming on have any thing to do with heating up the pads? What I think your talking about is break fade. And Yes the Greenstuff will fade sooner then the redstuff. But I ask you this, Have you ever experianced break fade on our cars with stock pads? I have, Only once. And I was flying down a Mountin pass at the time. My point here is that unless you plan on spending a lot of time on a race track, you will probably never experiance break fade with the Greenstuff(Which is MUCH more resitant to fade then stock pads) on our cars, Making getting the Redstuff because they are more resistant to Breakfade pointless.

So, why get the Redstuff over the Greenstuff? when there only advantages are the Feeling of more control over threashold breaking (With longer Breaking distances) and the ability to resist fade better (when you'll probably never experiance break fade with the greenstuff anyway). The only reason I can see its because they are a harder compound they will last longer. Thats it.

 
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I've experienced brake fade several times with my stock pads. Then again, I drive hard.

 
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whoa there killer. what i said was that when the greenstuff is hot the ABS comes on more readily. this is because of their "progressive" nature. you yourself said they grip more when hot. my comment is that they heat up alot quicker than the reds and require less pedal travel to get the ABS to kick in.

i personally own 6 cars. only one is close to stock. i know what's what and i've blown through more pads then you could possibly fathom. i speak from experience.

this entire thing got started by me saying the reds are too much brakes. i meant too much for the street. i didn't like the way their race charateristics meshed with my larger rotors on the street.

if my civic was fast enough to warrant track time, that would be another story, wouldn't it?



"The only reason you think they give you better contlrol over threashold breaking is becaus they take longer to reach it. And Because they take longer to reach Threshold breaking, your breaking distances Increase. "

riiighhhtt... so my pedal travels more... that means my car has to also...? i'm so close to just plain flaming here... you don't know what you're talking about. and if you do, you aren't good at communicating it.

with the redstuff pads i could get the brakes down to the point that the tires were screeching because they were at the limits of their traction. WITHOUT the abs coming on.

the greens aren't as good at doing that. but they ARE more comfortable to use. which i why i'm using them again.

 
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It looks like we were both Unclear initialy.

I see Threshold breaking as a learned skill. Menaing, its a personal prefrence as to how the breaks should "Feel". You seem to feel that haveing more pedal travel give you better control, I feel that the shorter pedal travel gives me plenty of Control for the type of racing I do (Autocross).

About the other stuff, once again, misunderstandings and poor explinations.

 
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I have EBC Green on my car with the drilled/sloted rotors and my car stops really good.

 
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yeah, sorry about that... i agree that Threshold braking is a learned skill... but because the redstuff pads don't change as much as the green stuffs when either goes from hot to cold... i feel that i have more control and more predictability with the reds... but by the same token, i don't like having all that travel, and i wanted more initial bite, so i went back to the greenstuff...

and i'm happier with their street performance... tho i don't think i'd prefer them for auto-x-ing.