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I read the forum..


so there is internal filter.. which i basicly a screen..
I understand is disassembly of tranny to replace.. how bad is it?

I want to add external cooler and filter, with temparature gauge..


anyone done this and what they used.?

There is also overcooling a transmission too.

I want the temparature gauge ,and where they mounted it ? temperature is diffrent at convertor than at radiotor or inline?

filter obviosly to clear up to 50 microns would be nice.

I understand is custom made..

any suggestions EZONE?

 
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can i use just a filter outside .. i saw the threads pictures are non existent neither part numbers..

i know newer gen honda have external filter , can i use that?

cooler am still unclear.. do they sell kits with thermostat and temp sensor so i can install gauge inside my vehicle.. fluid radiator also gets warmer , u dont want super cool fluid thats bad also.


how about using the CVT transmission external cooler and filter on my DX.. i can add some temperature probes hooked to a gauge inside. I believe CVT can on HX Civic?

 
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Ezone ?

 
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I just replace the auto or CVT trans when it craps out. I personally don't deal with rebuilding either of those for any customer.


The internal filter is not designed to be serviced except during an overhaul. If the trans has a problem that clogs up the internal filter, that trans has a real problem and needs to be taken apart and fixed.

You can install an inline filter in the ATF cooler line if you wish. Pay attention to flow direction as the Honda inline filter I have seen only works one way.

You can install whatever additional fluid cooler you wish, most just plumb right into the cooler lines. My peeve is they can provide several new places for fluid leaks to occur.

Typically the fluid coming out of the torque converter will be hottest as that is where the majority of the heat is generated, especially during torque multiplication....most manufacturers send the hot fluid directly from the converter to the cooler circuit.

If you just want an average fluid temp reading from inside the trans, check out the temperature probe style that takes the place of the dipstick or dips into the fluid in the same manner as a dipstick.


Why do I think you've posted asking about this stuff before?

 
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I purchased two of these: https://www.amazon.com/Magnefine-Inl.../dp/B0065LZA94 one for my 6th gen and one for my mammy's 7th gen. Haven't installed them yet though. Mine are made in Australia..looks like some reviews point to some Chinese knockoff junk that leaks.

I tried to install on my 6th gen but can't do it via transmission cooler hose due to kink factor.. will need to flare metal tubing on top of transmission to install. I'm pretty sure on 7th gens it will work via cooler hose.

This link may help: https://www.civicforums.com/forums/1...s-added-4.html

 
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i saw the thread but still doesnt answer me .. pics dont work or links on it.

to my friend EZONE.. I never asked this ..

let me clarify.. sometimes uphill under stop...i get some slippage on first gear.. it takes some time to go, and hear some slippage.. i did drain an fill at 100k before..

i also did drain an fill now.. in a smarter way.. I did one drainage and fill 3 qt, cleaned plug. drove 1000 miles , cleaned plug magnetic again , ran old oil thru 50 micron filter for paint, and put it back in car.. did this few times, and plug each time had crap. after 3 times i change another 3 quarts.. and did the same thing every 1000 miles i clean plug an put same old oil filtered back in...

the idea is to take the metal out without dumping all new oil which will strip all material.. so i was wondering if i could grab the oil filter cooler of HG Civic cvt tranny that have external filter an use it here..

I also wanted to add temp probe somewhere to monitor temp and see if i can keep warmer/ cooler temp at 200F. where it lasts the tranny a lot. i was wondering adding like a loop with thermostat for the extra coller which will open in series only if it crooses the 220F.. that way I have bullet proof design OEm control and mad cooling or better..

 
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Fluid breaks down with time and miles and heat.....how old is that fluid? If the fluid is cheap, why not new every time?
Automatic trans...or does yours have CVT?

It may be time for overhaul or replacement? I can't see/hear/feel what it's doing though.

 
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ITs automatic.
because new fluid is more agressive to loosen more stuff off your clutches.. its gradual.

not rebuilding , car is to old if it goes i be putting a used one lower millage one. or maybe 5 speed manual conversion.

the filter was to filter the fluid out as i drive so i dont clogged it somehow.. millage is 275k.. i know you will tell me its at the end of its life.. )...
I fix things as it breaks.

it sound and feels like growling.. only happens under hill and dead stop. trying to go..
also sometimes it acts up on flat surface and it just seems longer to engage.

but most of the time driving 80% of the time is like new.

 
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differential issue?

 
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no first gear problem, goess slow then normal.

 
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? how would i install it. i need a dipstick? so where can i tap close to it so i get accurate reading average?

you have an expample of one?

I was thinking just tapping a hole next to it temp probe, wire to a a gauge inside the vehicle next to my cigarrete lighter mounted.


I was also thinking magnefine filter on return.. it has a magnet to collect more crap..

What size are the hoses and which one is the return?

magnefine comes in 3/8 1/2 an a 1/4 i bellieve...

 
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3/8 magnefine is the one you need. I searched but, it's hard to find an ATF lines diagram online for 01-05 Civics. Download a free service manual if you can find one for the 7th gens civics. The video below shows the lines for a similar year Odyssey which might (or might not) be the same as 7th gen civics:

 
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The air cooled Volkswagen people use them to monitor engine oil temp.
They are available for various motorcycles, although it seems like I mostly see analog dial type thermometer sticking up out of the oil tank on Harleys.

I was thinking of an electronic thermocouple, temp sensor for a digital meter used in place of, or alongside the stock trans dipstick. Might need some experimenting and handcraft hours, but at least you wouldn't be drilling a hole in the trans case.

I'd be very leery of drilling a random hole in the trans case.

 
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i drilled many things engines and transmission at research facility at work.. but I guess thats not my car driving me home).. I will check and see if i can drill close to the dipstick and see if it interferes.. yes am looking at electornic thermocouple.. I got plenty at work. ..

magnifine has aluminum case also with cartridge type filters ,,.. ouch $119 dollars..with na6 fittings i guess i can make hoses custom since i make hoses at work also ... no chance of a leak then.

but magnifine regular with clamps is 35 dollars.. Geez might be cheaper just to keep changing oil... )

 
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Get an old dipstick for your trans from the salvage yard, cut a slit in the rubber ring for wires to pass through, wrap or clamp the sensor wires to the dipstick and put the sensing tip deep enough to be submerged in fluid (bottom of dipstick)..... seems like that would be quick and simple-- in my head anyway.

 
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3/8 magnifine filter ordered.. EZOne that should fit right??? it looked to me the right size.
i will use and see if filtration improves at least capture the crap..

time to add 3 more quarts of tranny fluid..


Ezone,
Maxlife ATF says it covers ZR1 honda old tranny fluid.. I see some people use it..

whats your experience with it, just Honda DW1???)


I use honda's dw1 so far.. 7 bucks a pop.

 
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Hell if I know.


I work for a dealer. I use Hondas products all day long. No experience with anything else.

 
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This for 8th gens: http://honda-tech.com/forums/honda-c...efine-3202999/
6th gen uses 3/8" atf cooler hose and doubt if 7th gen uses a size other than 3/8" atf cooler hose.

OP: throughout your post I know you have been speaking directly with Ezone and he is the man but, he may not be able to comment directly on products other than Honda OE/OEM as that's what he has access to at the dealership he works for.

I currently have Valvoline Maxlife full synthetic ATF in both my 6th gen civic and my mom's 7th gen civic for the past 15k miles and each shift well. Maxlife does have seal conditioners (valve body) in it that DW1 may not. Castrol Multi Import ATF is a (IIRC) synthetic blend and also is known to work well for Japanese cars and doesn't contain seal conditioners. Both Castrol and Valvoline are availble at Walmart, Autozone and other parts stores sold in quarts or gallon size.. so shop around for lowest price if you go with either of those.

I spoke to Valvoline's tech support prior to using their ATF and they varified it as a ZR1/DW1 compatible

 
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thanks ferguson, maybe i switch to maxlife.. i rread somwhere its better than dw1 which is leaner than ZR1..plus cost


another thing i was going to ask you or EZONE "aka the MAN" which hose is what on the radiator..

which one is suply , and which one is back to .. direction of flow.. i want to disconnect them an flush my radiator cooler with water to see what particles pop up.

it needs to be flushed backwards , but still it helps the direction of flow if i new it.. so i dont have to search for it )

 
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Don't use water.

Get a couple cans of Dr. Trannys cooler flush or similar product, pump it through the cooler system both directions several times, followed by blasts of compressed air to purge with force and to dry the liquid out.
Repeat until it comes out clean and your catch filter isn't catching anything new.


If you've never had a real trans failure, the cooler may not be holding significant debris.

 
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i still want to know the direction of flow?)

 
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Memory says.....On the radiator, the passengers side fitting is the inlet (in from trans)

drivers side is the outlet (return to trans).

 
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Call me Turd.