HONDA QUALITY......PROBABLY AS GOOD AS IT GETS
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Rom what I'm saying here has no intent of being hurtful to Honda. It is MY OPINION! I am entitled to that as you are to yours. ALL the problems with my car were there from day one.
<< After going back and looking at all the BITICHING you have done I would bet the problem is with you and not the car >>
Who is my problem with? Honda? HELL YES it is with Honda. Honestly like I have said before I bought this car because that is these are the only cars we have ever owned. I thought they were reliable from my past experiences and Honda USE TO BE really easy to deal and work with. I have been an very big Honda fan for a VERY long time. The way I have been treated in the past year plus though has most definatly changed the way I feel. I got my hubby (who drove a cavalier) to get rid of his car to get a civic. I mean there was no thought when I bought the car I was not going to buy anything but a civic. When you buy 2 cars from the same person in less than 10 months you would think they would treat you better. I think a company that can treat a RETURNING customer with as much diregard and disrespect doesn't deserve to have me as a customer. Yes I am going to tell as many people as I can what is going on. I would not wish this much headache and trouble on ANYONE. This car has been NOTHING but trouble. I would have been better off buying an old civic at least then I would have expected the problems.
<< ..........if you complained half as much to honda as you do on this forum I am sure HONDA also wishes you had bought another brand car.... >>
Trust me they are already there. They hate me. They see me coming and RUN. But because all the higher ups don't have to deal with me they don't care how long this litigation goes on for. ALL the service people know me and I have gotten into it with like all of them and the manager. He doesn't want to fight with me so he tells them to do whatever. There is only one service writer that I can talk to. They all send me to him. So yes I do "bitch" more to Honda.
<< this is just an annoiance like other little things .Honda will take care of the problems ! >>
I knew when I bought the car it was going to have little bugs. I expected them but the problem I have is that Honda refuses to fix ALL of the little bugs and when they do they come back. So it is more than an annoyance. When you go sit at the dealership almost daily because they kepp f*cking up your car more and more trying to fix it then come talk to me. When you go to the dealership and they tell you they refuse to fix things then come talk to me. When they treat you like you are a moron because you are a female come talk to me. When you are sitting there arguing with the service tech and they are trying to tell you they refuse to work on your car and a man walks up and the whole situation changes come talk to me. What What you all don't seem to understand is my problem is with Honda as a whole. NO ONE has been in the slightest bit respectful or made me feel like they gave a ****. Honda treats their customers like **** and expects you to come back.
FYI I do not "power shift" my car. As far as the mods go they can't hurt my litigation. They would have to prove what I did to the car caused the problems and they still have yet to do that.
<< After going back and looking at all the BITICHING you have done I would bet the problem is with you and not the car >>
Who is my problem with? Honda? HELL YES it is with Honda. Honestly like I have said before I bought this car because that is these are the only cars we have ever owned. I thought they were reliable from my past experiences and Honda USE TO BE really easy to deal and work with. I have been an very big Honda fan for a VERY long time. The way I have been treated in the past year plus though has most definatly changed the way I feel. I got my hubby (who drove a cavalier) to get rid of his car to get a civic. I mean there was no thought when I bought the car I was not going to buy anything but a civic. When you buy 2 cars from the same person in less than 10 months you would think they would treat you better. I think a company that can treat a RETURNING customer with as much diregard and disrespect doesn't deserve to have me as a customer. Yes I am going to tell as many people as I can what is going on. I would not wish this much headache and trouble on ANYONE. This car has been NOTHING but trouble. I would have been better off buying an old civic at least then I would have expected the problems.
<< ..........if you complained half as much to honda as you do on this forum I am sure HONDA also wishes you had bought another brand car.... >>
Trust me they are already there. They hate me. They see me coming and RUN. But because all the higher ups don't have to deal with me they don't care how long this litigation goes on for. ALL the service people know me and I have gotten into it with like all of them and the manager. He doesn't want to fight with me so he tells them to do whatever. There is only one service writer that I can talk to. They all send me to him. So yes I do "bitch" more to Honda.
<< this is just an annoiance like other little things .Honda will take care of the problems ! >>
I knew when I bought the car it was going to have little bugs. I expected them but the problem I have is that Honda refuses to fix ALL of the little bugs and when they do they come back. So it is more than an annoyance. When you go sit at the dealership almost daily because they kepp f*cking up your car more and more trying to fix it then come talk to me. When you go to the dealership and they tell you they refuse to fix things then come talk to me. When they treat you like you are a moron because you are a female come talk to me. When you are sitting there arguing with the service tech and they are trying to tell you they refuse to work on your car and a man walks up and the whole situation changes come talk to me. What What you all don't seem to understand is my problem is with Honda as a whole. NO ONE has been in the slightest bit respectful or made me feel like they gave a ****. Honda treats their customers like **** and expects you to come back.
FYI I do not "power shift" my car. As far as the mods go they can't hurt my litigation. They would have to prove what I did to the car caused the problems and they still have yet to do that.
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Rep Power: 0 I may not back the litigation process, there are other ways to go about things. However, as a matter of fact, the 2001 civics are not reliable.
As I said before consumer reports issued it the little black dot.
2 Cute is not the only one saying the 01's $uck, I say it too. They do $uck, they $uck so bad Honda gave me a 2002...Consumer reports also says it $ucks, many people on this site say it $ucks, and there are plenty on the lots (with 6-10k) going cheap, which tells me a lot of people who (did) own them think they $uck too....
As I said before consumer reports issued it the little black dot.
2 Cute is not the only one saying the 01's $uck, I say it too. They do $uck, they $uck so bad Honda gave me a 2002...Consumer reports also says it $ucks, many people on this site say it $ucks, and there are plenty on the lots (with 6-10k) going cheap, which tells me a lot of people who (did) own them think they $uck too....
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Rep Power: 0 CONSUMER REPORTS ALSO SUCKS...........DON,T BELIEVE EVERYTHING YOU READ...........HELL IF YOU DON,T LIKE HONDA GET YOURSELF A SUZUKI LIKE ONE OF THE COMPLAINERS DID.....BET HE,S HAPPY
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Rep Power: 0 funny how you say cr bashes the new Civic when the new civic is on there most reliable list. . There is no Honda on there reliability issue list. Hmmmmmm. 
Not to say Im a fan of the 7th gen, but like everyone said theres some bad apples in the bunch, too bad yall got stuck with em.
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Rep Power: 0 Did you read what you were posting or did you just post it cuz it looked good? The link you posted involved used cars. Yes the Honda Civic was on the list BUT it was not listing the 7th gen, which is what we are talking about here.
Used cars Best & worst
"The most reliable--and the most troublesome.
Although cars tend to be much more reliable than they used to be, buying any used vehicle involves some degree of risk. You can limit that risk by buying a car with a proven track record of reliability.
The exclusive reliability data in Consumer Reports can help guide you to models to look for and models you'd do well to avoid.
CR Good Bets, below, are the best of the best. These have performed well in our road tests and have been consistently better than average in overall reliability.
The list of Reliable used cars (available to subscribers only) can help you find specific vehicles that have proved to be above average in reliability. At the other end of the spectrum are the Reliability Risks (also below), vehicles that are especially dicey buys because they have exhibited several years of poor overall reliability. Used cars to avoid (available to subscribers only) lists all the models that have had below-average reliability"
Like I have said before when you have car magazines such as Motor Trend and Road and Track (which are KNOWN to be Honda biased) saying that a Civic sucks then you know it has to be bad. Look at the new Si for instance the Focus beat it out in I believe it was road and track. When a Ford beats a Honda you know there is something VERY wrong with that given Honda.
Used cars Best & worst
"The most reliable--and the most troublesome.
Although cars tend to be much more reliable than they used to be, buying any used vehicle involves some degree of risk. You can limit that risk by buying a car with a proven track record of reliability.
The exclusive reliability data in Consumer Reports can help guide you to models to look for and models you'd do well to avoid.
CR Good Bets, below, are the best of the best. These have performed well in our road tests and have been consistently better than average in overall reliability.
The list of Reliable used cars (available to subscribers only) can help you find specific vehicles that have proved to be above average in reliability. At the other end of the spectrum are the Reliability Risks (also below), vehicles that are especially dicey buys because they have exhibited several years of poor overall reliability. Used cars to avoid (available to subscribers only) lists all the models that have had below-average reliability"
Like I have said before when you have car magazines such as Motor Trend and Road and Track (which are KNOWN to be Honda biased) saying that a Civic sucks then you know it has to be bad. Look at the new Si for instance the Focus beat it out in I believe it was road and track. When a Ford beats a Honda you know there is something VERY wrong with that given Honda.
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Rep Power: 0 The bottom line is the new honda civic is a very reliable and safe compact commuter car that does exactly what it was designed to do go from point A. to point B. Perfectionest should not buy them since like all things mechanical they do break. It is always easy to find the perfectionest since they are always the people that constantly complain. My message to the perfectionest is if you don,t like the 7th gen. civic trade it ,they have a exe resale value among us lowlife,s
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Rep Power: 0 Ok so that isn't a good analogy well guess what the Focus beat out the Civic in sales for three years now. So the "wonderful" Civic that you all like so much is being beat out by an American car and not even a muscle car just a wanna be rice car.
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Rep Power: 0 << well guess what the Focus beat out the Civic in sales for three years now. >>
Don't think so ... top 10
And let's not forget that a large portion of the Focus's sales are to rental companies and car fleets, cause they're cheap to replace every couple of years. Honda rarely gets any sales through these sources.
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Rep Power: 0 key word there is "American" buddy.
the focus is the best selling car "ON THE PLANET"
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the focus is the best selling car "ON THE PLANET"
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Rep Power: 0 "they have a exe resale value among us lowlifes"
Again due to their inherintly low reliability this statement is foggy at best.
An EX can only fetch 11-12k on the open market, a 30% loss in year 1.... (edmunds,kbb,nad,ebay,et al.)
Thats right on par with that hyundai or kia (well, only slightly better!)
I sold my Nissan 2wd truck after 2 years and 38,000 miles and took less of a hit than my 01 LX Civic took in 6 months and 6k!!!!
Again due to their inherintly low reliability this statement is foggy at best.
An EX can only fetch 11-12k on the open market, a 30% loss in year 1.... (edmunds,kbb,nad,ebay,et al.)
Thats right on par with that hyundai or kia (well, only slightly better!)
I sold my Nissan 2wd truck after 2 years and 38,000 miles and took less of a hit than my 01 LX Civic took in 6 months and 6k!!!!
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Rep Power: 0 The keyword there is "world", buddy.
Ford has a much greater international presence than Honda ... I think it is 2nd behind only GM as the largest car maker in the world.
If you want fair head-to-head competition, North America is probably the best place to look. And even then, Honda is playing in Ford's back yard... and is STILL spanking Ford's *** in terms of passenger car sales, model vs. model. And again, a lot of Ford's sales are to large rental companies. You rarely see any Japanese cars for rent at those places.
And why are we talking about the Focus? My god, if you think your Civic is problematic, you won't be doing yourself any favors by switching to a Focus :
the awesome Focus.
But hey, it's the best-selling car in the world ... so by all means, go for it!
Ford has a much greater international presence than Honda ... I think it is 2nd behind only GM as the largest car maker in the world.
If you want fair head-to-head competition, North America is probably the best place to look. And even then, Honda is playing in Ford's back yard... and is STILL spanking Ford's *** in terms of passenger car sales, model vs. model. And again, a lot of Ford's sales are to large rental companies. You rarely see any Japanese cars for rent at those places.
And why are we talking about the Focus? My god, if you think your Civic is problematic, you won't be doing yourself any favors by switching to a Focus :
the awesome Focus.
But hey, it's the best-selling car in the world ... so by all means, go for it!
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Rep Power: 0 I don't know why you all are comparing a Ford to a Honda. Yea, the focus is tearing it up in sales. The car is extremely problematic and has already established a typical ford reputation for reliability (actually a good bit worse). So, if you want a focus, go ahead and trade up.
The analagy on resale prices is really only valid in your area of the country. You can expect a 15-20% loss when driving off the lot.
The analagy on resale prices is really only valid in your area of the country. You can expect a 15-20% loss when driving off the lot.
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Rep Power: 0 personally I wasn't saying it (the focus) was better, however it is the worlds best selling car.
Hondas dont sell in europa because they didn't offer a diesel until this year...but they certainly do have a global presence.
Against ford reliability it's not like the Civic is a gem....From the NHTSA recall site that you just used:
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American Honda Motor Company Has Recalled 2000-2001 Honda Accord & 2000-2001 Honda Civic
AMERICAN HONDA MOTOR CO. RECALLS CRV
Honda Recalls 2001 Civic
American Honda Motor Company Recalls Acura 3.2TL
2001 Honda Civic Recalled
2001 Honda Civic Recalled
I count 4 recalls on the 01's
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As for low resales in the NE, perhaps that is true, i see them all over the side of the road up here, but thats where i live right?
Nothing I can do about it, up here people won't buy them.....
Hondas dont sell in europa because they didn't offer a diesel until this year...but they certainly do have a global presence.
Against ford reliability it's not like the Civic is a gem....From the NHTSA recall site that you just used:
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American Honda Motor Company Has Recalled 2000-2001 Honda Accord & 2000-2001 Honda Civic
AMERICAN HONDA MOTOR CO. RECALLS CRV
Honda Recalls 2001 Civic
American Honda Motor Company Recalls Acura 3.2TL
2001 Honda Civic Recalled
2001 Honda Civic Recalled
I count 4 recalls on the 01's
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As for low resales in the NE, perhaps that is true, i see them all over the side of the road up here, but thats where i live right?
Nothing I can do about it, up here people won't buy them.....
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Rep Power: 0 << In two other investigations, NHTSA is looking at 2000 and 2001 Focus compact cars for air bags that deploy at low-speed crashes >>
All I can say is at least the Ford airbags deploy unlike the Honda ones.
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Rep Power: 0 I can agree that the k1 civic isn't up to the typical honda standards. I have a k2 and hope that the major, as in most frequently occuring, issues have been resolved. As for the recalls, I doubt there is any car on the road that hasn't had a few recalls. I don't really have a problem with people trashing the civic, it's trashing honda as a whole that gets my panty's in a wad. Let's not forget the almighty accord that still has top-notch reliability, the crv, one of the most reliable vehicles ever to hit the planet, and the odyssey, which only has average reliability but even average is still better than most other makes.
Oh, I only have 4600k on my vic and yet to have any problems outside of the rattles. I do know that if this generation of vics turns out to be subpar according to honda's standards, it will be resolved and the civic will return to the top. When I say 'top', I mean in reliability, not necessarily sales.
Oh, I only have 4600k on my vic and yet to have any problems outside of the rattles. I do know that if this generation of vics turns out to be subpar according to honda's standards, it will be resolved and the civic will return to the top. When I say 'top', I mean in reliability, not necessarily sales.
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<< In two other investigations, NHTSA is looking at 2000 and 2001 Focus compact cars for air bags that deploy at low-speed crashes >>
All I can say is at least the Ford airbags deploy unlike the Honda ones. >>
You seem to have conveniently left out the last coupla words from your quote off of that site :
<< NHTSA is looking at 2000 and 2001 Focus compact cars for air bags that deploy at low-speed crashes and bags that cause fires after inflating >>
Yup, that's exactly what a person needs after a head-on collision : for the airbags to catch on fire. I guess it's Ford's special way of telling people to get the f*ck out after an accident ... and I hear it comes standard on all their cars.
BTW, do you have personal experience with your airbags not deploying on your Civic?
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Rep Power: 0 First year problems are always the normal with most vehicles (even Hondas).
For example my mother made the mistake of buying a 1996 Plymouth Grand Voyager. She owned it a short 92,XXX miles. In that short time it went in for unscheduled repairs 38 times. It was on its fourth transmission
, second engine, second fuel tank, third a/c compressor. Other various problems were major electrical failures (wipers going on for no reason), power windows not working, interior lights flashing on and off, door locks not working, sliding doors not opening, mopar stereo shorting out. Then there were the monthly recall letters.
She was so excited to get rid of it and said she would never look at a Chrysler again (it was her first and last Chrysler).
Just food for thought
For example my mother made the mistake of buying a 1996 Plymouth Grand Voyager. She owned it a short 92,XXX miles. In that short time it went in for unscheduled repairs 38 times. It was on its fourth transmission
, second engine, second fuel tank, third a/c compressor. Other various problems were major electrical failures (wipers going on for no reason), power windows not working, interior lights flashing on and off, door locks not working, sliding doors not opening, mopar stereo shorting out. Then there were the monthly recall letters. She was so excited to get rid of it and said she would never look at a Chrysler again (it was her first and last Chrysler).
Just food for thought
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