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http://2k1civic.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=7&threadid=77315&STARTPAGE=2

Check the second page of this thread (can't hyperlink from work cause we have to use an older version of netscape)

 
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thats outrageous!

and i dont mean that in a good way, id like to see DYNO CHARTS!
you'll be lucky if u can get 25 HP out of that whole setup!

CRAZY and [IMG]i/expressions/laugh2.gif[/IMG]

BULL........

 
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Really now.. Ever see roger Foo's old civic with the B16B putting out 183Whp??. He gained well over 20HP from dyno tuning his fuel ratios and ignition timing. His only other mods in the engine were Skunk2 Stage 3 cams and an ITR intake manifold..

That's an 8700rpms(after tuning) redline 1.6 with bolt on's and tuning.

1 1.7 getting 145-150Whp is not far fetched in the least. The key to most of the power is fuel management, ignition timing and cam timing.

 
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i think it's possible to get 170hp from n.a

 
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It is.. the D17 DX engines make more torque from baseline to 5000rpms than a B16A2 does. from 14 ft.lbs more in some spots. More torque=more power. the B16's make all their 160HP though high revving. They simply do not have a flat torque curve. Under 4200Rpm they make less torque than a D15 engine!!!!. Their designed to take advantage of very short gearing and have good speed in each gear. (high revs) a Car with a 6500Rpm redline would say max out at 40km/h in first gear. a Car with an 8000Rpm redline would be able to go about 50km/h And so on. And be able to take much more advantage of gearing (torque multiplication).

A D17A1 or A2 can make 170Hp with good port work New postons, cam, cam gear,bolt on's and progrmmable Ignition timing and controlled fuel ratios.. and a fair bit of time on the dyno tuning it all..

150-157 or so can be done through parts and street tuning. (butt dyno)

Everyone always neglects dyno-tuning in their modification. They just opt for replacing parts and not actually "tuning" anything.

170HP N/A civic would run about $7000CAD to do..whereas for about the same price you can have 200HP and fair bit more torque with a bolt-on turbo kit and upgraded fuel system. ... Proper N/A modding is crazy $$$

 
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you can get a lot more than 170whp from this engine n/a, it just depends on how much you want to spend.....[IMG]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/IMG]

 
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170 without spending an insane amount of money..

It'd be another $5000 at least to eek any more out because the engine would need to be fully balanced and the valvetrain upgraded and reinforced and another $1200 on new bearings, another $700 on fasteners to keep it all together.. Not to mention the lighter flywheel, new clutch yadda yadda..[IMG]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/IMG].

170hp with reasonable money [IMG]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/IMG].

Probably about 240-250 if you wanna dump $30K into it

 
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It's possible but there's gonna be alot of work... I am going to do all the bolt on's..
and than get ecu..and than change the manual conversion..and do some port polish...
hopefully i'll get this done in da summer

 
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ok guys i apologize, and yeah it is possible,

what i thought is... just P&P the head and exhaust.. i was going to say thats bogus, but if your going to go ALLMOTOR and all out... yes it is achievable...

and yes i noticed that the LX coupe mine has a better low end thean the SIR coupe ( EK MODEL )
but highend that sir would rape me...

i apologize... but everyone was saying P&P the head... and exhaust... no one mentioned the whole deal...
there is this guy Tony the TIGER with a toda powered GSR... that car is insane- all motor with over 220HP at the wheels!

ohh yeah not to mention your running a SOHC over a DOHC.
i believe a DOHC has way better response to that stuff, the SOHC is doable but just more money spent.

 
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Yes, modding new cars for power doesn't make sense. Why? Because:

1) Void of warrenty. Why didn't you just buy a used car to start the project then?

2) Ridicious costs. For all that money spent, you could have bought a faster car, that has better EVERYTHING. And warrenty intact. 170HP? For $7000 job, you could have easily bought a 200HP RSX-S with 6-speed. And better suspension.

Unless you have sponsorship, don't bother.....

 
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i agree... its worthless and a waste of money unless your loaded....
even people who are loaded are smarter.

why waste on a SOHC?? when a DOHC is way better!

remember 2 cams is better then 1

hehehe

 
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Yeah, I think so too.

 
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But it is sweet to have more hp!!

 
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yah...DOHC all the way.
thats my next big investment hehe