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Hey guys my boyfriend just picked up his new car about 3 days ago, I don't have any pics yet but I will have some soon. He just purchased a Dodge SRT-4 yeah yeah yeah I know what all you guys are saying, " Oh it's just a neon," or my personal favorite "I hate neons." I have heard them all believe me. But man oh man this fricken car is fast. Yesterday, NO LIE, we destroyed a WRX, RSX type S, Acura Integra, and a BMW V12 ( that 8 series one, don't know the series number, but it wasn't new) Now I can hear you all saying, "yeah well its't just a neon" but I don't care, this "neon" is the ****!!!!! Don't get me wrong I love the looks of my civic, but I would mind toolin around in this car! Next time we are out and about I will get some video and pics of us racing around and post them

 
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j/k had to do it, have fun with the ride and be careful

 
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Those are sic cars!!

 
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This is the way I see it

SRT - $19,999 right?
Civic - $16,999 depending on model trim

SRT- Turbo
Civic - spend 3k more and get the turbo from SFPower

You end up around the same area, but still keep the Honda quality going. I am not flaming or anything I think SRT 4's are great looking cars. You still have to admit the quality just isn't there for the dodges, AND FOR GOD SAKES GM do something about that cheap *** plastic you guys use it's terrible.... ok im done enjoy your man's ride!

 
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have you raced him yet

 
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LOL
You end up around the same price, but with a honda that's still gonna get smoked by a stock neon.

 
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stock turbo is probably 10 x's more reliable then any aftermarket design. i wouldnt mind having that neon. but i love the looks of my civic. id rather go slow and look good safer for u and me both

 
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ya, those new neons are pretty fast, for that price, it's a pretty good deal.

I honestly doubt you'll get even close to the neon if you only spend 3k, our civics weren't exactly built for speed.

 
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Quick! Someone make this new member a moderator! He's just so far wiser and more advanced than the average noobs that join the forums!!

 
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i second that. if i was to get a turbo car, i would rather get one with an engine already with a turbo because all internals are made stronger to take the extra pressure. Saves you the work and hassle of finding the right parts, dealing with mechanics and their opinions, etc..

As much as i dont like domestics i would have probobly taken it to.

 
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Hahaha that was pretty funny too bad its not true!

 
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ERrr impossible against a wrx and the v12 bmw ... but maybe the type s and the wrx would have been close.. it would have been the driver.. but hmm..

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NOW If you said wrx sti.. then I WOULD HAVE CALLED BS.. :-p

 
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GM has nothing to do with Dodge.

Enjoy it while you can. All I've seen is nothing but one problem after another out of the SRT-4. I do think they look good, but they are starting to fall apart already.

 
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There's a video floating around of an SRT-4 vs. a WRX. It's from a roll, but the SRT pulls the WRX. Now the BMW 760 has power, but it's also heavy as ****. If they were racing from a stop, then it's possible because it would probably take a little longer for the 760 to get goin. But from a roll, the BMW would probably give the SRT-4 a good run. Again, I think everyone is underestimating the SRT-4 just because it's a Dodge Neon. To each his own I guess.... lease:

 
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yeah... they are fast... but they are still:


and they are still ugly...

i would MUCH rather have a stock wrx....

 
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The ignorance overflows. If you put a turbo on a D17, you're putting strain on the engine that it wasn't built/intended to take. However, a car that comes from the factory turboed will be better because it is build and intended to take that kind of pressure and strain. Take Chevy, for instance, which builds its cars with intentionally large openings so you don't have to do major work to be safe with a turbo just bolted on. That's why they have bolt-on factory turbos. Honda, on the other hand, generally builds their engines to perform to the max. Is that max performance? Absolutely not. It only means the engines are very efficient for what they're working with. So the actual turbo itself may not be better, but the set-up in general will usually be better because most people don't go to the lengths they should when they turbo their car.

 
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Oh, and about the SRT-4, props to your bf. If I wanted an affordable high-performing car, that'd be a great choice. But I'm not too impressed by the looks or the fit/finish. It's still a nice car, but there are things I value that it doesn't have.

 
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Now correct me if I'm wrong, but...lease: Yes, you can spend $3k for a turbo for the Civic. However, you get more than just a turbo slapped onto a normal Neon with the SRT-4.

Aside from buying the turbo you'd have to upgrade a number of other itmes that the SRT-4 already has. What about the upgraded brakes? The sport seats? The 17 inch wheels and tires? The improved suspension? Also you'd need a new clutch for your Civic to handle the extra power of the turbo. Now, it seems like you'll need to spend alittle more than $3000 to be "in the same area" as the SRT-4. Plus you'll have no warrenty to cover your a$$ with all those aftermarket parts.

 
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Yes, that post about dumping $3k in a Honda Civic was pretty much stupid. It won't be as fast as the SRT-4, that's just wishful thinking. And yeah, someone is missing other performance aspects like suspension which can run over well over 2 grand with improved brakes and yet another grand for 4-new wheels to accomodate the bigger brakes + the price of tires and it'll still get pwn3d by an SRT-4 without more money for mods to the engine.

Oh yeah, the SRT-4 will kill a WRX. It's been proven many times before. A WRX with a few bolt ons won't win either.

 
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Uh, yeah, you all know how I feel about neons. And feel free to see my sig.

Oh yeah, if the WRX race was from a roll, it's perfectly believeable. If from a stop, you're full of crap, or the driver was a leper.

And no matter how fast you make it, it's still a neon. Which as far as sport compacts go, neons have always been "laughable" at best straightline performance wise. (they were decent sleeper auto-x, but you all know the US obsession with straightline) And they have probably been more considered "feminine" as well. Not to say there were never fast neons.

But dodge would have been WAY BETTER OFF coming out with a new car, and not turbocharging an old, dying platform. I think they'd have done better sales and PR wise, and had a better reception to the consumers with a new platform.

Even fast and furious turned down putting an SRT4 in the 2nd movie... because it was a neon. Dodge tried hard to get that car in the movie, but the directors said no.

 
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Really?! I'd expect the SRT- 4 to kill a WRX as well; given they are both stock & have drivers of equal skill (added losses due to the AWD for the WRX), looks to me like a WRX would die; what is the "factor" the WRX has in it's favor? I'm curious..


[i remember u'r soon to be WRXman04]

 
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The WRX has all wheel drive, which means it has twice as much traction to offer off the line.

-Mark

 
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Yup. IN a normal stoplight race, the WRX would have a strong advantage with an AWD launch. And in shorter races like that, the neon wouldn't have time to catch up. It may be close, but still a decisive victory for the WRX both cars stock.

 
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Shure its fast in a strait line, but Turboed FWD cars are nitorious for being Tough to push around a track. you end up doing a lot of left foot braking in the corners just to keep the turbo spooled. and hope you dont hit too much of a boost trying to accelerated out of the corner, cause if you thought our power induced understeer was bad, imagine having to deal with a that much more power. Fun cars, but I like my race cars naturaly asperated, they are much easier to deal with when cornering.



oh ya, all wheel drive is hard to beat when launching. they may lose more power in total, but they can launch at a higher RPM and boost level and still not burn out.

 
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Everyone is making this Neon sound like it can beat the f*ck out of a Ferarri. Will it beat the S2000 too? How about a 350Z?

 
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Tisk Tisk Tisk.

People who slap turbo kits on deserve to have thier motors blown and you will get no sympathy from me.

And Proper Built aftermarket turbo system will work better then a factory one, case in point, most factory turbo systems have boost leak from weak stock blow off valves. Problems with wastegates and small exhaust systems to limit boost.

I know many civics and other cars with aftermarket turbo systems that have not blown once so once again your claim is FALSE

Most people who buy turbo cars do not understand the extra steps you need to take to keep the car running for long periods of time and avoid have the bearings in the turbo cooked.

But you wouldnt understand these things would YOU

people slap a turbo on a car and start out boosting 15psi and go well it blew up guess its not as realible as a stock turbo car.

Its not the car its the OWNER who is a total jackass.

So once again if a car came turbo stock or not has no bearing on it being reliable.

 
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The original post talked about the entire design. Now the fact of the matter is that a handful of the minority of people who actually spend all the money necessary to make everything work properly does not nullify the fact that most people are idiots who don't strengthen the internals and won't take proper care of what they buy.

Now you really got me on that one. Using the bolded and capitalized "you" for added effect. The point you're trying to make is the same point that proves stock turbos are better - people don't know what they're doing, and people are cheap. Considering the average kid either 1) doesn't understand the hell forced induction puts your engine through or 2) (like me) doesn't have the thousands of dollars laying around to strengthen the internals and get the turbo parts. So why would anyone ever say the stock turbo is better? The amount of work needed to keep up a stock turbo is fractional to what's needed for an aftermarket set-up.

Well some cars are obviously crap from the factory, I'll admit that. But to say an aftermarket turbo is better would be to say slapping a T3 on that piece of NA factory crap is any better than getting a stock piece. The difference is, because of reliability and warranty issues, a stock turbo is a better way to go. That is, unless you're a millionaire.

 
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If I am not mistaken, I remember writing that this was NO LIE. Our friend OWNS a WRX and my boyfriends SRT-4 beat him fare and square. I was in my civic driving behind him, and from a STOP at a light they went for it. He kicked his ***. They were neck and neck for a little while, but he did pull away from him. If you don't believe me, like I said I will post video when I get it. And as for the comments about Dodge being crap is not true. He just got rid of a neon he used to have that had 150 thousand miles and not one problem. He only got rid of it cause he got the SRT-4, not cause it was crap. Don't bash a STOCK car just because it could kick the crap out of your modified car, it sounds like you are jealous. Thank you to the people that posted comments that were based on actual facts and a genuine love for cars no matter what kind they are.

 
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And your friend with the WRX needs to learn to drive. Have you ever seen the holeshot an AWD WRX puts on a FWD car? Even a turbo neon? Both cars at optimal launches, the WRX would put at least 3-4 lengths on the SRT4 out of the hole. AT LEAST.

Your friend can't drive.