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Old May 1, 2003
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Teen Shot Dead in Dispute Over Cars

sorry if wrong forum, sorry if its a repost (i searched "teen", "shot", and "dispute") seperately

http://www.newsday.com/news/printedi...2Dnews%2Dprint

Teen Shot Dead in Dispute Over Cars
Sean Gardiner

May 1, 2003

A Brooklyn teenager was killed when an argument over which brand of car is better ended in gunplay, police said.

Cedric Archer, 17, of 5817 Glenwood Rd., was shot in the chest in the East Flatbush section around 10:50 p.m. Tuesday and died at Brookdale University Hospital Medical Center about 25 minutes later.

Police said a group of about 15 men was hanging out at East 57th Street and Avenue H debating which was the best car, police said. Archer happened by and "decided to stick his two cents in," according to a police source.

Archer began arguing about cars with the men. The argument escalated into insults and then Archer pulled out a .45-caliber handgun, police said.

As he menaced the group with the gun, a man in the crowd pulled out his own handgun and shot Archer, police said. The group scattered after the shooting, leaving behind Archer and his gun, police said. They are searching for a suspect.
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Old May 1, 2003
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Fuc*ing sad that people are really that way.

*shakes head side to side*
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its his fault.... i feel bad that he died but he shouldnt have pulled out "his" gun.
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yup, he had it coming case he started the argument and pulled out his own gun, i think it started with cars then escilated to "yo momma" jokes then "i did your sister" and then "your ghey" then he got shot. thats probally how it went down. LOL
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Thats wild... its not that serious to me. You like domestics, I like imports... we agree to disagree... no gun play necessary.

There's a lesson to be learned here: Never pull out a gun and not use it.
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cocky-*** ppl.... not would have happened to him if he didnt think "oh, im the **** and let me go give them my point of view!" ppl get whats coming to em! dont **** w/ other ppl u really dont know....... and by the way, this almost happened when i was out w/ friends last week. some homo decided to walk up to us and tell us my friends car was slow or something and decided to also say "all of u are squares!"... one of my friends almost shot him. we told him not to do it and just bounced.
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Originally posted by chirpin2k2civic
its his fault.... i feel bad that he died but he shouldnt have pulled out "his" gun.
Agree. He should have never pulled out a gun. What is so wrong with liking some other brand of cars?
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That is the stupidest thing I've ever heard someone doing. I mean WTF. Just because someone doesn't like the kind of cars you do that is no reason to pull out a gun and shoot at them. He deserved to be shot. Pulling out a gun and shooting at a group of people because you don't like their opinions. What is the world coming to. First we've got kids bring guns to school, and now we've got dumb a$$es shooting at people over a conversations about cars.
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Originally posted by Jodster
That is the stupidest thing I've ever heard someone doing. I mean WTF. Just because someone doesn't like the kind of cars you do that is no reason to pull out a gun and shoot at them. He deserved to be shot. Pulling out a gun and shooting at a group of people because you don't like their opinions. What is the world coming to. First we've got kids bring guns to school, and now we've got dumb a$$es shooting at people over a conversations about cars.
Stupid indeed but I can see how this happened. Sometimes people just say the stupidest things.. not just cars, but it can be about computers, an actor, a chair, whatever.. and it just frustrates people. Then it goes into insulting for saying such stupid things..

It's easy to say the way he died is stupid, but I can see how it happened.
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Damn crack heads...
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Originally posted by kenji4861
Stupid indeed but I can see how this happened. Sometimes people just say the stupidest things.. not just cars, but it can be about computers, an actor, a chair, whatever.. and it just frustrates people. Then it goes into insulting for saying such stupid things..

It's easy to say the way he died is stupid, but I can see how it happened.
I understand completely what you are saying. Its just said that it had to ended in blood shed. I remember growing up and getting into arguement with other kids. And we would just insult each other more. Very rarely did it ever break out into a fight. But fighting with guns don't make you a man. Using your head and fighting with your fist if you must fight is what makes you a man.
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It usually starts out over a trivial thing and then escalates....sort of the way my wife and I argue (sans the violence, of course!).
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weeee, the monthly 'tragic/useless death' thread happened early in the month
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Oh well, every once in a while I guess we need to dump a little chlorine in the gene pool.

I wonder which car won the argument?
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thats fu*k up, it was his fault for not mining his own beewax! on top of that he should of not pull out a hand gun either. what are these crazya$$ fu*kers thinking. what if there was KIDS around and one of the bullets hit them instead, i know you have to feel guilt the rest of your life. PEOPLE SHOULD THINK OF WHAT OUTCOMES TO TAKE BEFORE TAKING ACTION!!
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i bet you they were arguing over civics


i couldnt count how many gang battles me and my civic have gotten into
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damn that's pretty hardcore... but i mean that's pretty lame to pull our your own gun in front of 15 people you dunno... just cuz of an argument... i bet he didn't see that coming...
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Originally posted by wcsjunior
cocky-*** ppl.... not would have happened to him if he didnt think "oh, im the **** and let me go give them my point of view!" ppl get whats coming to em! dont **** w/ other ppl u really dont know....... and by the way, this almost happened when i was out w/ friends last week. some homo decided to walk up to us and tell us my friends car was slow or something and decided to also say "all of u are squares!"... one of my friends almost shot him. we told him not to do it and just bounced.
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Originally posted by Hondasport2k3
Damn crack heads...
Yeah man too many over here in NY.....lol

Like DMX said "Don't ever pull your gun on a ni99a and not shoot"

He was trying to be tough and pull his gun out flashing it. Prob thinking "None of these dudes gotta gun like me"

And he learned the hard way

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No sypathy from me. I'm with the guy who shot him...someone waves their gun around I'm gunna do what I can to keep myself safe.
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The guy that got shot was probably a domestic lover!
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I'd shoot the ****er too if he bad mouthed my Civic.
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Hey he deserved it. He pulled his peice. Someone pulled his and actually used it.

Wise man once say.

"Don't pull your peice unless you tend to use it"

Guess he didn't have a conversation with a wise man that night.
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Originally posted by sawgunner06
Hey he deserved it. He pulled his peice. Someone pulled his and actually used it.

Wise man once say.

"Don't pull your peice unless you tend to use it"

Guess he didn't have a conversation with a wise man that night.
actually, the saying from licensed gun owners is "never draw your firearm unless you are going to fire"
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Same thing just worded different.
Guess he wasn't a licensed gun owner
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Pretty sad to lose your life over nothing!!
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