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I was just doing some of my own research and comparing the RSX Type-S to some other cars out there -VW Jetta 1.8T to be exact-, and although the 1.8T is turbocharged and has the advantage of forced induction, i noticed that the RSX-S maximum HP rating is at 7400rpm! If you ask me thats insane! And thats not even at the wheels! you lose like 30hp from the flywheel to the wheel. The 1.8T pushes 180hp at 5500rpm, which is a little more like it. But the torque rating is what really gets me. The RSX-S pushes 142lb ft. at 6000rpm, which is still a little high, the 1.8T on the other hand pushes 172lb ft. at an incredible 1950rpm!! Now if you compare the price difference, here in Canada, the RSX-S MSRP = $31,300, the VW Jetta 1.8T MSRP = $26,370. Now if you want the leather package in the VW, your looking at a few thousand dollars more, which is still cheaper. Now my point of this thread is to say that if your gonna spend the dough, i suggest you spend on some German engineering, stock turbo, and everything that comes along with it, and stay as far away as possible from the japs, because you absolutely cannot compare the strength of any german car to a japanese car...IMO as always...

 
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You are comparing two different kinds of engines. You have to compare the power to weight ratio. The attributes of the engine also help and how the car performs overall. VTEC is known for the horsepower and not the torque. VTEC loves the high revving action and the germans like the torque. Look at the M3 engine. It is one of the most advanced engines out there(years it has been around to be perfected). The inline 6 BMW uses has been used for over 30 years and started is life in the old 5 series. They say the 5 series is the most advanced and reliable because it had been in the testing for 50 years.

 
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I hope thats not a gay flag pointing down at the GTI 337, cuz that would honestly just disgust me...[IMG]i/expressions/face-icon-small-disgusted.gif[/IMG]

 
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A friend of Mine has one of those. He has a stage two turbo on it and the stock computer is the only thing holding the monster back. The R337(isnt it?), is a great car. He is also friends with the Benen guys. He said he can get me a custom cage for about $300.

 
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You can take it how you want it. Looks like a group of car owners who are proud of the vehicle they own to me. [IMG]i/expressions/laugh2.gif[/IMG]

 
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Thats how most Hondas are made. Low torque and high hp at high RPMs. You can't generalize all japanese cars from one car company. Toyotas have good torque at low RPMs and they have pretty good HP. It's just the way they are made. My friend has Jetta 1.8T and it is fast and I do like the Turbo but I still think I would take the RSX-S over it. I think Japanese cars are just as good as German cars. What German car can Handle 1000 HP non that I have heard of. There may be some out there but I haven't seen any. I have seen one 1000HP supra and I know there are a lot more. And the Skyline although no for sale in the US can also take over 1000hp. I'm not dissing on German cars but the strength of Japanese cars are just as strong as German cars.

 
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Well, that's ok, because only chicks and asian guys drive Civics.

 
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i think both technologies are just as good....... if use the Japan GT for example..... which car is at the top??..... the NSX...... no turbo.... pure VTEC...... VTEC is a whole lot better for racing on the track... and i don't mean the drag strip...... on the other hand...... the turbo gives u a **** load of power....... why not the best of both worlds??

 
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He's got a good reason to compare two different engines. Internal combustion is internal combustion...botht he engines he is comparing are 4 cyl. engines. If he was comparing a turbo diesel to a NA inline 4 then I'd be like what? But he is comparing two perfectly good engines, and the point he made is very true.

In a race the person who wind in the short term is the one with the most torque. It isn't sheer horsepower that pushes your car faster it is the torque turning the wheels. The more torque you have the faster your car will get up to speed....you can have two cars same wieght same everything but one engine can have 50 lbs. of torque more then the other, and both can have the saem horsepower, say in this case 100hp... The car with the 50 ft.lbs. or more torque will outrun the other car excet on days that don't end in Y.

Engines that produce the torque at a lower rpm and retain that torque have the advantage over say a Honda with Vtec where the person has to get up to 7200 rpm's before they make the same amount of torque. You do the math.

 
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Ok... now try turning. The RSX is designed as a track car... it's not set up or intended for drag racing. Get yourself a Camaro if you want to do that. The GTi suspension is a bit on the squishy side for road comfort and because the car is so heavy. Not to mention it needs all that power to get it moving. Thanks to US safety standards.. the GTi weights far too much. So it isn't really that fast. You buy the Turbo for the potential it possesses, but now you've got to blow tons of money upgrading the system. Not to mention the VW 5 speed is rubbery as hell. Want to play comparisons.... You're looking at the wrong model. Go look at the VR6. The new 24V one with the European Spec 6 speed and the better suspension, bigger brakes etc. Look how much that one costs, and check the numbers you'll run dead even with just about every number. So put an RSX on a track... where it's very likely you'll never leave VTEC-land, and you'll see what an RSX can do. It's your choice... straight line or endless twists and turns... I'd pick the curvy roads anyday. Straight aways get boring. Just because the max power is up in lala land doesn't make it a bad car or a poor choice. It totally depends on what you want to do with it.

 
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A car's handling is different for everyone. What may be squishy for another may be perfect. What may be perfect for another person may be too rigid and uncontrolable...now we get into the what if part of the discussion. Two cars coming into a turn dead even anf coming out dead even would be in a drag race for the next corner, the car which doesn't have to get to the higher RPM's for the torque will get up and go quicker then the car that has to rev two or three times higher then the other, this takes time. Again depending on the skills of the driver, the race could be won that way. People put too much heart into their Vtec...

 
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LMAO thats funny as hell
i would take a Japanese car a German car any day. The style the engine and everything. German cars are nice but not foe me

 
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Hey WhopSi. My friend had a Jetta 1.8T and he sold it because the build quality was not what he expected. It was great when it was new, but after 10 000 k's it began to rattle like crazy. He ended up buying an Acura 1.7EL Premium. He is so much happier. Yes the Jetta is cheaper than the RSX but you get what you pay for. And remember that the RSX doesn't need a turbo to make big horsepower from a little engine. Plus i've seen stock RSX-type S's run 14.9's at the track. I haven't seen any 1.8T's running that low stock. Not even GTI's.

 
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heres a couple of words for ya. reliability....depreciation. Vws are nice new but after 3 years... forget it.

 
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I don't think your comparison is fair, or relevant. You're comparing the torque, and HP to the Jetta ...ok that's fine ...but the MSRP?? If you're gonna talk about the price of the whole car, you have to compare the whole car.

So let's talk whole car, firmer suspension stiffer chasis, closer gear ratios due to 6 speed manual transmission, better aerodynamics, and lighter weight. The MSRP pays for the whole car, not just the engine. Comparing the engine and making the judgment on the whole car is far too simplistic.

-Aki

 
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"intake, chip, ECS N75 (non-adjustable wastegate controller to eliminate compressor surge), and changed to a better DV (bov type) = 1.8t GTI dynoed at 186whp/243lbs-ft"

.http://forums.clubsi.com/showflat.ph...b=5&o=&fpart=1

id like to see a VTEC motor get gains like that with so few mods. or torque like that with ANY mods

 
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MSRP?

1.8t GTi = $18,910 ( http://www.modernracer.com/vwgti18t.html )
RSX-S = $23,170

Geee, i wonder which is the bettAr deal...

 
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oh yea...

 
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why all the retarded posts about vtec not being good for torque...only high end HP..??


VTEC does not create mystical power.... all that it does is allow for is more torque.. The lower end before vtec engagement is a low lift low duration cam lobe which is great for low end power...but above midrange the cam profiling is so mild that the car would lose power above 4500rpms (rsx-s) This is when VTEC engages and switches to a much more aggressive cam profile.. one which under 4500rpms would run choppy and cause engine bogging because of it's lift..

VTEC has the exact same effect as using a more aggressive cam profile..in any car and keeping the revs above a certain number... for racing engines Vtec is pretty much useless as Revs stay well above the vtec point anyways... it's only there in race cars for the smoother idle and off the line power...afterward..it's all in the more aggressive cam...

 
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perhaps its in efrence to the actual engines them selves which incorperate VTEC rather then the variable timing it self... which was MY point as seen above. and yes i know you are talking about the other tool who posted before me.

 
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i would not even think about a VW, i don't want my car value to drop 10k once i leave the lot [IMG]i/expressions/laugh2.gif[/IMG]

 
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omg

 
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You still cannot compare the two, because their market is different, their standard features are different.

RSX Type S is meant to be a more upclass sports car. They don't want it to be seen as a bargain car. Hence the standard leather seats, BOSE audio system, side impact airbags, sunroof. You cannot compare that to a GTI because they're meant for a different demographic. Yes the GTI has more bang for the buck. But its also more spartan in its accomodations.

If you're going to talk about RSX Type S in terms of bang for the buck, it doesn't have a lot of bang. Put in a litte more and u get a WRX, which destroys an RSX. Spend a little on mods with a VW or Focus and it'll burn a Type S for less money. The Type S is more expensive for its amneties. You're comparing apples to oranges.

-Aki

 
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Different engine has diferent chracteristics.... the specs shown in the data sheet normal are the maximum outputs... VW shows a higher torque at low rpms.. that doesnt guarantee that it has even higher torque at high rpms... it's just the design of engine... if the engineers decide to design it that way, let it be.. [IMG]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/IMG]

 
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the RSX, even the RSX-R is not a "sports car" FWD does not a sports car make.. evAr.

 
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OK. This is in response to the subject, which I think this is pretty bias. If you're comparing this to the type R's, you're bond to be disappointed. But, if you're saying that writers in car magizines (i.e. Motor Trend, Car and Driver) are B.S.ing you by saying that it's a well performing, point A to B, bang for your buck vehicle, then, I don't know what you're smoking.

And, about the German vs. Japanese cars crap. Just get what you like. I like the performance and the interior of the GTI, but like a lot of people, I don't like it. And, it's true that the specs on Honda cars only happen when it's not in daily driving situations, but v-tech gives you the option of having the extra punch in the case you want it.

I mean a lot of these bias arguements don't have an end. Bottom line, just get what you like.

 
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" v-tech gives you the option of having the extra punch in the case you want it."

everything else you just said went down the toilet.